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Couple; cloud/aeris
Topic Started: Oct 24 2004, 07:23 PM (3,691 Views)
Velut Luna
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cloud and aeris are a cute couple
i just wonder if he's going to see her again :) (:
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Aerith
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I hope he sees her face. but he already felt Aerith's hand XD
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Anastar
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I really hope that Cloud meets Aerith in AC, too! They make such a wonderful couple. I really hope that Square conclusively shows that Cloud loves Aerith in AC. Most of all, I'd love to see them kiss in AC!

This is an article from Destiny Fulfilled: Cloud and Aerith's Love about why Cloud and Aerith make such a great couple:

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During the Lifestream Event, we learn quite a bit about Cloud’s past as a child growing up in Nibelheim. Cloud was basically a loner. He had always wanted to play with Tifa’s group of friends, but they never allowed him into the group. So he tagged along, always hoping to be noticed by them. At the same time, he had a crush on Tifa and always used to look up at her window from outside. On the day Tifa’s mother died, Cloud followed them into the mountains to look for her mother’s spirit. A bridge gave way under Tifa’s feet with Cloud following a few feet behind, and they went crashing down the mountain. Tifa was in a coma for seven days afterwards, and Cloud got blamed for the incident. He was even told that she may die, which must have made him feel incredibly guilty.

From this information in the Lifestream Event, we learn that Cloud was a lonesome young man who felt rejected, neglected, and ashamed of himself. He says several times that he “wanted to be noticed”. He blamed his weakness for the accident at the bridge and wanted to become strong so that he would be noticed. So Cloud decided to join SOLDIER in order to become like the “Great Sephiroth”… but he failed there, too.

Then Aerith walks into Cloud’s life. Here is a lovely young lady asking to go out with him, and asking him to be her bodyguard. Think of how flattering this must have been for Cloud, who had always felt like such a failure. Cloud had always wanted to be noticed, and suddenly there is a lovely young woman showering attention on him. She considers Cloud to be her bodyguard, almost like her hero, which is something Cloud has always wanted to be.

Cloud successfully rescues Aerith from the Turks as well as from Hojo’s lab in the Shinra building, and Aerith admires him for it. For the first time in his life, as far as he remembers, Cloud has been a success instead of a failure. Aerith says in the Shinra building that she knew Cloud would come to rescue her, which is essentially saying that she thinks of Cloud as her hero. Aerith looks up to him and suggests that he should be the leader of the group as they leave Midgar. Think of how many times Cloud had wished for that kind of attention while feeling lonesome, rejected, and scorned as a child in Nibelheim, hoping that someone would notice him.

Cloud learns what it’s like to be someone’s hero with Aerith, and he is admired for the first time in his life with her. Aerith showers attention on him as she asks him about his rank in SOLDIER, asks whether he has a girlfriend, asks about the visit with his mother in Nibelheim, asks whether he likes girls with a tan in Costa del Sol, and asks him to take her for a ride on the Highwind some day, along with many other things. Cloud learns from Marlene that Aerith has been asking all about him, which would also make him feel noticed and admired. Aerith even makes him laugh and smile early in the game as they are heading back to Elmyra’s house from the church, which is the only time Cloud does this in the entire game.

For the first time in his life, Cloud finds happiness… and he finds it with Aerith.
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Raist
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I think the beauty of Aeris for Cloud was just that here was finally someone that wanted him. Not some hero in the papers not some fine young gentleman with an older woman but just Cloud. Just the person that Cloud was and the facades and dreams of others.

Cloud never had that before even from his own family.
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Yep! Besides..he only laughed with her in the game..sniff..and cried for her in her death..BWAAAAAAAH!
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Carmencita
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My heart bled when I watched the burial scene. Even Tifa, good friend that she is to Cloud, couldn't make him smile afterwards... See how he had loved Aerith so much?

I loved Cloud/Aerith more when I learned in AC that he really, really misses her and would go to any means to meet her again... like, by letting himself die of Geostigma.

Aw, these two are just too precious together. I think I'll go cry in a corner now.
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Aeris awoke so many emotions deep within Cloud. Could Tifa ever get him to dress like a girl? I don't think so, he'd probably call her crazy and find another way into don corneo's room. Also during the date scene, would he ever agree to be in a play with Tifa? I don't think so. Cloud does something very out of character here, he twirls off the stage with everyone else. That had to mean he was having a good time with Aeris.
This brings about why his grief is so overwhelming for him. Before Aeris, he was a mercenary who didn't care about anyone or anything except collecting his money and going onto the next job. Who never made it to SOLDIER. When he meets Aeris, he completely changes. Here's the first girl that treated him the way he should, and who really liked him, and he liked in return. Then, in the blink of an eye, she was taken away from him, and his world was once again cast into darkness. In his reality, what does he have to live for if she's gone?
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Cloudsgirl
Oct 26 2004, 12:44 AM
Also during the date scene, would he ever agree to be in a play with Tifa? I don't think so. Cloud does something very out of character here, he twirls off the stage with everyone else. That had to mean he was having a good time with Aeris.

I completely agree with the point you made in your post... but when Cloud goes out on a date with Tifa, Cloud behaves the exact same way with Tifa during the Play scene as he does with Aerith.

Yes, I've had Cloud go on the Date with Tifa... and I hated it!!! :lol: I didn't want to, but I played the game from a Cloti standpoint just to see the game from their point of view and to find out whether they had any real evidence or not. My conclusion: they don't have a single solitary piece of conclusive evidence. :rolleyes:

Back to the topic: The translators at www.adventchildren.net who have played the Japanese game tell me that Cloud speaks in a very rough, crude, and impersonal manner throughout the entire game to everybody, except in one scene.... and that's in the Death Scene. They told me that when Aerith dies, it's the one time in the game that Cloud speaks of her very softly and personally, almost as if he wants to be alone with her. They tell me that Cloud's words, "What about US? What are WE supposed to do?" are very personal, and have only one meaning: that US and WE refer to Cloud and Aerith.
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Velut Luna
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theres something thats kind the buging me lately about what aeris said to cloud
Aerith: ''Question! why have you come here?''
Cloud: ''...I think that I want to be forgiven. Yes, I want to be forgiven.''
Aerith: ''Forgiven? By whom? you know, I never blamed you for anything.''
Cloud: ''But I let you die...''
Aerith: ''You have to learn to forgive yourself.''
Aerith: ''But since you're here, I think you're one step closer to that!''
i wonder if cloud understood her?

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i wonder if cloud understood her?


I think he did understand her, but Cloud would still continue to question himself. He couldn't save the one he loved so it would be hard for him to just drop it.
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They tell me that Cloud's words, "What about US? What are WE supposed to do?" are very personal, and have only one meaning: that US and WE refer to Cloud and Aerith.


I wonder if they were boyfriend and girlfriend, but we didn't know!
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Shiva
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*Listens to Aerith's Theme* :( This music makes me so sad! And yet, it is so beautiful! :wub:

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Yes, I've had Cloud go on the Date with Tifa... and I hated it!!!  I didn't want to, but I played the game from a Cloti standpoint just to see the game from their point of view and to find out whether they had any real evidence or not. My conclusion: they don't have a single solitary piece of conclusive evidence.


LOL!!! :lol: I have TRIED to get Tifa on a date and I always get Aerith no matter what. I think I must be subconsciously doing something wrong. :lol: How does the date with Tifa go?

Also, I don't like the way Aerith says, "Question! Why did you come here anyways?" It sounds rather cold, don't you think? :unsure:
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Oct 27 2004, 12:52 AM
LOL!!! :lol: I have TRIED to get Tifa on a date and I always get Aerith no matter what. I think I must be subconsciously doing something wrong. :lol: How does the date with Tifa go?
I studied the Date Mechanism mathematics at Gamefaqs to get Tifa. :lol: There's a FAQ there on how many points of affection you get for each possible response to the different Date candidates.

There used to be a script at Gamefaqs with the Tifa date scene, but they changed it to the Date scene with Aerith. So this is all from memory after playing it about two years ago.

The Date with Tifa is the same as Aerith's until the Gondola ride. Tifa says something different from Aerith when she picks him up at the Ghost Hotel, but it's just something like, "Why don't we go spend time in the park?" The Play scene is exactly like the Play scene with Aerith. When they get to the Gondola ride, Tifa says a few unimportant things while Cloud stares at her, stuff like, "What a pretty view. Look, Cloud". Then they look out the window of the Gondola. Then Tifa says something like, "Cloud... I... I..." and he says, "Hmmm?" She says that it's hard to say, since they were childhood sweethearts (which is a very strange thing for her to say when the Lifestream sequence conclusively shows that they hardly knew one another as children... even when you've gone on the Date with Tifa.) Then she repeats, "I... I... I..." and Cloud says something like, "What are you trying to say?" She starts saying, "I... I..." again, and then fireworks start going off in the background and the scene fades out to the two of them getting off the gondola. Cloud asks her if she remembered what she wanted to say. Tifa says something like, "Oh, nevermind." And that's the end of it.

That's the supposedly romantic date that Tifa and Cloud have! :lol: The Cloti's say it's romantic because they think Tifa's trying to say, "I love you" to Cloud. But all he does is sit there and stare and her, asking what she's trying to say. I think that wierd statement of Tifa's that they used to be childhood sweethearts is what makes the Cloti's think that Cloud and Tifa were close as children.

FF_Goddess
Oct 27 2004, 12:52 AM
Also, I don't like the way Aerith says, "Question! Why did you come here anyways?" It sounds rather cold, don't you think? :unsure:
Well, the Montreal Film Festival report at Daeya.org doesn't show the conversation to be that way. They have several screenshots of the flower field scene, and those screenshots show the actual subtitles used in the movie. They show the conversation as this:

Aerith: "You came."
Aerith: "Even though you're about to break... That's a good sign."
http://www.daeya.org/ff7ac_mtl/p2-02.php
Then she puts her hand on the exact spot where Cloud was holding his arm due to the pain of Geostigma earlier.
Aerith: "Question. Why did you come?"
Cloud: "Forgiveness... I think. Yeah. I want to be forgiven."
http://www.daeya.org/ff7ac_mtl/p2-04.php
Aerith smiles and giggles.
Aerith: "By whom?"

By their account, in the Seventh Heaven, Tifa only says, "He's not here" instead of "He's not here anymore".

Those are pretty significant changes from the other translations we've seen, but Daeya.org has quite a bit of the dialogue documented with pictures showing the actual subtitles that were most likely approved by Square for the Premier. The rest of this review can be found at: http://www.daeya.org/ff7ac_mtl/report_p1.php
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Raist
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I would say that when CLoud says he wants forgiveness he is not talking about Aeris. He knows she forgives him and hell she says it.

Rather CLoud needs to be able to forgive himself as Aeris sees. He was not strong enough to protect the one he loves from harm and death and it only shows to him that he is still a weak and poor individual. For Cloud to be happy again he needs to find that forgiveness and it may only be found in death.
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Sefie
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Yeah, the Montreal version seemed to be ALOT more Cleris friendly. And I believe them alot more because of the subtitles. Maybe the folks at the Venice one didn't have as good a memory. Or maybe a translation issue with the reporters?

Ya know, the Tifa date is really....one sided. Cloud just sits silently, while she does all the talking. Not really very romantic. Even if she WAS tryign to say "I love you" what does it matter? Cloud didn't say it did he? As for the childhood sweethearts stuff, just another translation issue?

Ya know, I think my favorite facet(you know you've been playing too much FF when you capatalize all the F's you type, oiy)of their relationship is how happy she makes him. I mean, when he laughs, what she said wasn't exactly hilarious. It was just silly, and because they both laughed it shows that they were already close, already on the same page. So, either she just made him happy when he was around her, or they were already getting close. Either way I like!
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