Europe's Cartoons Vs Muslim's Cartoons

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Europe's Cartoons Vs Muslim's Cartoons; Norway apologizes for their free speech
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 3 2006, 06:58 AM (1,551 Views)
cmoehle	Feb 8 2006, 05:31 AM Post #91
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Tom, I'm not altogether sure that's the case. Both the Afghanistan Constitution and the Iraqi Constitution recognize Islam as the official religion and basis of low but grant full rights including religious freedom. The East does not separate state and religion the way the West does, Islam is a way of life as much as it is a religion, so law based on it is likely not unlike our legal system being based largely on common law. Still, to my point, these are young and untried democracies still unable to stand on their own feet, recently ruled by tyrants.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


cmoehle	Feb 8 2006, 05:40 AM Post #92
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Justine "Chris, it is not a few. Perhaps your American tv doesn't show everything. I saw large groups, men with guns ,children( hundreds, like a school assembly outside) chanting hatred , and burning flags." How many of the approx. 4 million Lebanese did you see? 100s, even 1000s are a few. You speak their language? You know their culture? Well enough to interpret hatred? Or'd the TV tell you that? The men I saw with guns were police and military. The Lebanese government is saying the troublemakers came from Syria and Iran. Doesn't CA TV tell you that?
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Stoney	Feb 8 2006, 06:16 AM Post #93
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	It's clearer than ever to me that this war will be won or lost with propaganda. The fundamentalists are doing their best to paint the west as devils and arousing the populists to our evils. We allow the double standard of being sensitive to their taking offense at some cartoons and suppress the outrage of cutting off heads in public. I don't know that we can do better. But to win we must do all we can disseminate the good that is going on. Trouble is, we are our own worst enemy in this regard. And there is no way we can keep from shooting ourselves in the foot without suppressing our liberties. At this point I see a few trying to stir up the masses. Those few have a better chance at influencing the masses than we do.
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


pentax	Feb 8 2006, 06:20 AM Post #94
Kamloops - BC Interior Posts: 6,649 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: June 21, 2004	5thwheeler Feb 7 2006, 11:54 PM Interesting, at the onset of Golf war one, I was in a local pub watching CNN's coverage of the bombing of Baghdad, as the bombs exploded, the cheering from the local crowd was defining. Not one person seemed to care that innocent people were dying in those raids. But I guess thats ok... That was pre-911, 5th.... the days of everything and everyone being "over there", not "here". I fully expected one of the spin-offs of 911 to be a realization that "This sht ain't so funny anymore - this HURTS!"* Sadly, I fear the opposite. Even the thought that a good many people now profess to wanting to turn the entire southern face of Asia into a Martian wasteland is beyond me...
	(thumbnail) "Kirk to Enterprise - Very funny, Scotty.... now beam down my clothes!"


Justine	Feb 8 2006, 10:01 AM Post #95
Member Posts: 524 Group: Members Member #100 Joined: October 6, 2004	Sorry Chris, I do not need to speak their langauge or know their culture to interpert hatred from what I saw. Just watch , you'll see.



DanHouck	Feb 8 2006, 10:19 AM Post #96
Land of Enchantment NM Posts: 854 Group: Members Member #19 Joined: June 28, 2004	I saw a lot of green Hamas flags waving Chris. Didn't they just win the election there?



5thwheeler	Feb 8 2006, 10:37 AM Post #97
Get the message? Posts: 1,018 Group: Members Member #161 Joined: March 16, 2005	"The Lebanese government is saying the troublemakers came from Syria and Iran. Doesn't CA TV tell you that?" I'll believe what the Lebanese government's claims to be true, as soon as I feel comfortable believing ours.
	History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".


5thwheeler	Feb 8 2006, 10:42 AM Post #98
Get the message? Posts: 1,018 Group: Members Member #161 Joined: March 16, 2005	DanHouck Feb 8 2006, 10:19 AM I saw a lot of green Hamas flags waving Chris. Didn't they just win the election there? You must be thinking of Palestine.
	History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".


cmoehle	Feb 8 2006, 11:52 AM Post #99
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Justine Feb 8 2006, 11:01 AM Sorry Chris, I do not need to speak their langauge or know their culture to interpert hatred from what I saw. Just watch , you'll see. Ah, but you do. You see facial expressions and gestures and postures and hear voices and tones, and in order to make sense of it, when you are not familiar with their culture, you project your own onto them. Sure fire way to misunderstanding. I remember the old story, perhaps urban legend, of Nixon going down to Mexico to give a speech. The crowd was all excited until he made his usual victory sign, and they booed him throughout his speech. If he had only known what it meant down there.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


5thwheeler	Feb 8 2006, 12:09 PM Post #100
Get the message? Posts: 1,018 Group: Members Member #161 Joined: March 16, 2005	cmoehle Feb 8 2006, 11:52 AM Justine Feb 8 2006, 11:01 AM Sorry Chris, I do not need to speak their langauge or know their culture to interpert hatred from what I saw. Just watch , you'll see. Ah, but you do. You see facial expressions and gestures and postures and hear voices and tones, and in order to make sense of it, when you are not familiar with their culture, you project your own onto them. Sure fire way to misunderstanding. I remember the old story, perhaps urban legend, of Nixon going down to Mexico to give a speech. The crowd was all excited until he made his usual victory sign, and they booed him throughout his speech. If he had only known what it meant down there. I agree with you on this one Chris. One can show videos of the New Years eve crowd hooping and hollering in Time Square, add whatever words and music they want, and no one would be the wiser.
	History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".


Cornelius	Feb 8 2006, 03:05 PM Post #101
Member Posts: 1,689 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: June 29, 2004	cmoehle Feb 8 2006, 12:40 PM The Lebanese government is saying the troublemakers came from Syria and Iran. Doesn't CA TV tell you that? If somebody breaks wind in Lebanon, they blame Syria for it nowadays.



cmoehle	Feb 8 2006, 05:36 PM Post #102
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Condaleeza Rice did the same as Lebanon today. She breaking wind too? Condoleeza Rice Accused Syria and Iraq of Intensifying Mohammed Cartoons Tension Quote: US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice accused Syria and Iraq of inciting anti Western feelings and of being responsible for acts of violence caused by Prophet Mohammed cartoons, AFP reports. Rice said this after her meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni. �I have no doubt Iran and Syria have gone out of their way to inflame sentiments and to use this to their own purposes. And the world ought to call them on it," she said.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Cornelius	Feb 9 2006, 04:07 PM Post #103
Member Posts: 1,689 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: June 29, 2004	cmoehle Feb 9 2006, 12:36 AM Condaleeza Rice did the same as Lebanon today. She breaking wind too? What, is there excessive flatulence in Washington over Syria as well?



silverfox	Feb 10 2006, 09:39 AM Post #104
Member Posts: 252 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: December 11, 2005	Why do we care what extremists or terrorsts think? If they can not handle freedom that is their problem not ours-- until they want to kill us. It that case we should do what ever we can to either kill them or put them in jail. If a cartoon causes them to kill each other, then we should print more cartoons. If a cartoon causes them to disrupt a free country then put them in jail.



cmoehle	Feb 10 2006, 09:44 AM Post #105
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	silverfox "Why do we care what extremists or terrorsts think?" So you think the Terror War is bogus?
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater

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