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| Europe's Cartoons Vs Muslim's Cartoons; Norway apologizes for their free speech | |
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| cascade | Feb 5 2006, 02:57 PM Post #46 |
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Police investigation on Jyllands-Posten As I was reading the article in the link that Chris provided, I came across this, below. I personaly do not like the Code, but it seems to me the Muslims did have a legal recourse. A number of Muslim organizations submitted complaints to the Danish police claiming that Jyllands-Posten had committed an offence under section 140 and 266b of the Danish Criminal Code. [6] Section 140 of the Criminal Code prohibits any person from publicly ridiculing or insulting the dogmas of worship of any lawfully existing religious community in Denmark. Section 266b criminalises the dissemination of statements or other information by which a group of people are threatened, insulted or degraded on account of their religion. Danish police began their investigation of these complaints on 27 October 2005. [6] On 6 January 2006, the Regional Public Prosecutor in Viborg decided to discontinue the investigation as he found no basis for concluding that the cartoons constituted a criminal offence. He stated that in assessing what constitutes an offence, the right to freedom of speech must be taken into consideration and that the right to freedom of speech must be exercised with the necessary respect for other human rights, including the right to protection against discrimination, insult and degradation. [6] |
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| TexasShadow | Feb 5 2006, 03:09 PM Post #47 |
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sounds like something we need to have in our code, if it isn't already there. |
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| Stoney | Feb 5 2006, 03:20 PM Post #48 |
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“Your blouse is very revealing.” Is that an insult, compliment, opinion or fact? |
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| brewster | Feb 5 2006, 03:26 PM Post #49 |
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That would depend upon whether the person you're talking to is ugly, gorgeous, your daughter, or gay.  |
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| Stoney | Feb 5 2006, 03:29 PM Post #50 |
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And it would depend on who it was coming from. If the objection was on religious grounds, if there was no objection and it was a sexist remark... Sometimes it's hard to judge these things. |
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| TexasShadow | Feb 5 2006, 03:31 PM Post #51 |
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it's an opinion. if you said the blouse was pretty, it would be a compliment. if you said the blouse made the person look cheap, it would be an insult. if the blouse is more revealing than the law allows, it's a fact.  |
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| Stoney | Feb 5 2006, 03:36 PM Post #52 |
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| Justine | Feb 6 2006, 04:05 AM Post #53 |
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You guys get to deep for me. I just think the Muslims I see on tv burning buildings and shouting death threats OVER A CARTOON, are stupid freaks just looking for any excuse to be at war with someone or something. I have seen offensive cartoons about Christians, I have seen God and Jesus portrayed in cartoon, and on tv , in silly, rude, and insulting ways.I figure God will deal with that sort of stuff on his own. I have yet to see a christian group burn down a newspaper building and shout death threats. I tell myself that most Muslims are nice people, not fanatics,,, but when I see what I see on the tv news lately , re this stupid cartoon, I just think" what a bunch of idiots the Muslims are , a blood thirsty lot of ninnies" Really, trying hard not to start to dislike them as a group. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 6 2006, 05:10 AM Post #54 |
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Western news media has been traditionally anti-Muslim. |
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| Stoney | Feb 6 2006, 05:51 AM Post #55 |
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They have a different culture and for most of us a different religion. If there was not the violence this would cause us to look at them differently. With it, it makes things worse. But it's not the group. I hope I can say it's a minority within the group who are advocating violence. |
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| MrsS | Feb 6 2006, 12:02 PM Post #56 |
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These violent protests don`t seem to be accidentally. The governments of those countries aren`t known for letting their people protest...so at least they tolerate the protests...if not even support them. |
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| cascade | Feb 6 2006, 12:04 PM Post #57 |
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I wonder what the reaction would have been, if the depictions had shown a very positive, all loving, all knowing, all good.....ect. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 6 2006, 12:07 PM Post #58 |
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The Lebonese government has officially denounced the violence and destruction. |
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| DanHouck | Feb 6 2006, 08:23 PM Post #59 |
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Muslim media routinely portray Jews and Judaism in grossly obscene cartoon and the most vicious manner. Now the shoe is on the other foot, the west should kiss up to these two-bit terrorists? I don't think so. From what I am hearing, this was no spontaneous protest but rather a well organized one by Muslim clerics. The actual cartoons were published quite some time ago in the Danish paper without note. The Middle East and the Islamic world are stuck back in the 14th century when genocidal religous hatred and virtual enslavement of women were SOP. Europe is finding much to its dismay that they have imported this culture and it has no attention of moderating itself or assimilating. Instead, it is demanding special treatment and curtainment of the freedoms that westerners hold dear. I can only hope that at some point we will wise up and put a complete stop to immigration from that region. Why continue to import people who hate everthing we believe in and are very predisposed to become an internal fifth column? This country needs to recognize that the only way to guarantee our security from these folks is to end all dependence on oil from that region, diengage fully from it militarily, stop immigration as noted above, and exercise very close scrutiny of "visitors" from there before allowing them to set foot on our shores. Perhaps if we get out of their face, they'll find someone else to hate. Probably the Europeans whose colonialism is at the heart of much of that region's problem today. I sure wish we'd spent our 500 billion bucks on really securing our borders and on building coal to oil/gas plants, conservation, and resource development, rather then on a military adventure that has succeeded only in destabilizing that region further. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 6 2006, 08:25 PM Post #60 |
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Explain how you go from a few inciting this to all Muslims? |
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