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Brokeback Mountain; Warning: Story Line Revealed
Topic Started: Feb 1 2006, 03:46 PM (2,187 Views)
5thwheeler
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cmoehle
Feb 7 2006, 06:16 PM
But some prefer that to a love story between a couple sheepherders.

Most American movie goers can't see anything past a couple of sheepherders anymore then they could see that the "Fly" was a love story. IMO Cal's list says it all about the American movie goer...
History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

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cmoehle
Feb 8 2006, 12:16 AM
But some prefer that to a love story between a couple sheepherders.

You said a mouth full!

To each thier own. If you don't want to see the movie for whatever reason, don't go see it, but there are people who do want to see it. I think it's called a CHOICE!

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Feb 7 2006, 06:26 PM
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Wow, if one has to watch that crap to get religion then something is very wrong.


Apparently, it didn't have much affect. Interesting that so few Christians actually went to see it in relation to the number of christians in America and Europe.

Passion of Christ had little evangelical effect

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The poll also determined that the film, which portrayed the final 12 hours of the life of Jesus, failed to have an impact on people’s determination to engage in evangelism, with less than one-half of one percent of the audience saying they were motivated to be more active in sharing their faith in Christ with others as a result of having seen the movie.

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While the evangelistic impact was far less than envisioned, the movie did score well when it came to changing behavior.

“Don’t lose sight of the fact that about 13 million adults changed some aspect of their typical religious behavior because of the movie and about 11 million people altered some pre-existing religious beliefs because of the content of that film,” the researcher said.

In the survey, people who had seen “The Passion” were asked if it affected their religious beliefs in any way. Just one out of every six viewers (16 percent) said it had. When pressed to describe the specific shifts in their spiritual perspectives, the most common changes were the perceived importance of how they treat other people, becoming more concerned about the effect of their life choices and personal behavior, and gaining a deeper understanding of, or appreciation for what Christ had done for them through His death and resurrection. Each of those changes was named by 3 percent of the aggregate viewing audience.


Prayer, church attendance
The audience was also asked if viewing the movie had affected their religious practices. In total, 18 percent said some aspect of their religious behavior was different due to seeing the movie. The most common behavioral changes listed included praying more often (listed by 9 percent of those who saw the film), attending church services more often (8 percent), and becoming more involved in church-related activities (3 percent).

Overall, one out of every 10 viewers of “The Passion” (10 percent) indicated that they had changed some aspect of both their religious beliefs and practices in response to the movie.

Those figures, he said, translates to 11 million to 13 million people making some sort of change because of the film’s content.

“That’s enormous influence and you cannot fault ‘The Passion’ for not satisfying religious agendas that some people assigned to it,” Barna said.

“More than any other movie in recent years, ‘The Passion’ focused people on the person and purpose of Jesus Christ. In a society that revolves on relativism, spiritual diversity, tolerance and independence, galvanizing such intense consideration of Jesus Christ is a major achievement in itself.”


I think the numbers say more about the outcome of the poll, then just saying "less than one-half of one percent" as refered to in passinthru's post. Taking things out of context can be a very usefull, but a dangerous tool when used to spin an argument, most of us, including me are guilty of doing it.
History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

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But some prefer that to a love story between a couple sheepherders.


oh, I quite agree with this, too. In the end, which is more harmful to our dear children's psychies(spelling?)...... lovemaking or ripping people apart? (sarcasm here)

but calling the movie a love story.... it's just not.
Not sure when these two guys get married or if they're already married when they get together.
If they weren't married, but married in spite of their obsession with each other, they made false vows to their spouses.
If they were already married, they committed adultery.
They made their lives a sham existence.

Reminds me of the Thorn Birds where the guy and the gal spend their lives impaled on a thorn bush because "life isn't fair" or some such rot.
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Feb 6 2006, 08:31 PM
On the other hand, Brookback mountain is not your standard Hollywood shoot-um up Cowboy film as some think, its a tragic love story about a love denied by hatred, and insensitivity of a society that hasn't a clue what the words "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" in our Declaration of Independence really mean.

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I'm going to disagree with you on that. I think it's about a valid disagreement about what is considered "normal" socially acceptable behavior. It's a free country, and behavior between consenting adults is a private matter. But, that doesn't mean society has to openly embrace any deviation from the commonly accepted norms. Many accept and embrace a homsexual lifestyle as normal and acceptable. Many others do not, and refusing to do so does not make them bigots, haters etc. They just refuse to accept that change in the definition of "normal" which is their perogative.
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But that, again, is an argument about lifestyle and not the movie.
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5th wheeler,

Did you see the Passion of Christ?
Two hours of whippings etc. Um, I think someone didn't see it.( I believe the timed whipping portion of the movie actually amounts to about 12 minutes.

Exaggerating to make a point makes your point seem invalid as your information is not accurate, therefore your opinion on that movie cannot be validated by the reality.
Your certainly entitled to your opinion of the Passion of Christ, even if you didn't see it, but to say it was nothing but two hours of " whippings" is ridiculus, its not like anyone has ever said BrokebackMountain is two hours of men having anal intercourse now is it?

I personally find the Passion of Christ not to my taste either, I have pointed out that ( in another thread) I watch films to be entertained, and that usaully encompasses comedy and some drama or romance. Nothing too intense.

I read the bible , and go to church to learn more about Christs life, rather then accept any Hollywood production. So, my point is , don't like Cowboy movies, don't like movies where I end of crying( Passion of Christ) .
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Feb 7 2006, 07:20 PM
  Many accept and embrace a homosexual lifestyle....


Now there's the rub, as I see it - and something I struggled (perhaps semi-successfully) to get across to a Pentacostal fellow I worked with years back:

There are many who honestly think "accept" and "approve" (in this case "embrace") are synonymous - THEY ARE NOT.

- "Accept" does not mean "approve".

- "Accept" does not mean "advocate".

- "Accept" does not mean "endorse".

- "Accept" does not even mean "condone".

"Accept" DOES mean that one has come to the understanding that a thing IS, and that thing WILL BE - regardless of whether you like it or dislike it... whether you would rather it was there or not... or would rather it was something other than what it is.

There are many things that I do not like or care for, but I also know I am not bigger than those things and I have no right to judge other's actions by my standards; that will be done by Someone greater than me.



Some will answer me by asking "if there is no limit to that?" - OF COURSE there are limits, and generally those limits are set by the greater part of the society together. And most of those limits are fashioned to prevent cruelty and hurt!
But one can easily think of examples of that system failing, as well - 300 years ago how many of us would think twice over an unpaid, barely fed-and-housed Black person doing our most unpleasant work, for the questionable reward of being allowed to live to the next day, and do it all again?

History will judge US, as we have judged the past. How many of our children or grandchildren will understand those of us who would refuse a job, a place to live peacefully, or a chance to prosper to any of our fellow Man.... whose only "crime" is loving and caring for someone who is the same gender?

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Feb 8 2006, 12:46 AM
5th wheeler,

Did you see the Passion of Christ?
Two hours of whippings etc. Um, I think someone didn't see it.( I believe the timed whipping portion of the movie actually amounts to about 12 minutes. 

Exaggerating to make a point makes your point seem invalid as your information is not accurate, therefore your opinion on that movie cannot be validated by the reality.
Your certainly entitled to your opinion of the Passion of Christ, even if you didn't see it, but to say it was nothing but two hours of " whippings" is ridiculus, its not like anyone has ever said BrokebackMountain is two hours of men having anal intercourse now is it?

I personally find the Passion of Christ not to my taste either, I have pointed out that ( in another thread) I watch films to be entertained, and that usaully encompasses comedy and some drama or romance. Nothing too intense.

I read the bible , and go to church to learn more about Christs life, rather then accept any Hollywood production. So, my point is , don't like Cowboy movies, don't like movies where I end of crying( Passion of Christ) .

Twelve minutes my foot! Sorry to burst your bubble, but I saw both movies.

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5th
I'm going to disagree with you on that. I think it's about a valid disagreement about what is considered "normal" socially acceptable behavior. It's a free country, and behavior between consenting adults is a private matter. But, that doesn't mean society has to openly embrace any deviation from the commonly accepted norms. Many accept and embrace a homsexual lifestyle as normal and acceptable. Many others do not, and refusing to do so does not make them bigots, haters etc. They just refuse to accept that change in the definition of "normal" which is their perogative.


"Many others do not, and refusing to do so does not make them bigots, haters etc."

And it doesn't give your so called "normal" society license to kill those that do not fit they're norm. Although I serious doubt you will, go see the movie, and if you do, try to put prejudices and preconceived notions aside, and look beyond the screen.
History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

:ohmy:
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from my link:
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Overall, one out of every 10 viewers of “The Passion” (10 percent) indicated that they had changed some aspect of both their religious beliefs and practices in response to the movie.

Those figures, he said, translates to 11 million to 13 million people making some sort of change because of the film’s content.


I'm having trouble with the math. If 11-13 million represent 10% of the people who saw the movie domestically, that would suggest that 120 million saw the movie. But the movie grossed 370 million. When was the last time you paid $3 for a movie ticket?

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Roughly half of the people who saw the movie (53%) were born again Christians, which is somewhat higher than their incidence in the adult population (38%). Similarly, adults who are atheists or agnostics represent about 12% of the national population but were just 4% of the viewing audience for this movie.

If the statistics concerning the spiritual inclinations of viewers are projected to the U.S. population, then the study would estimate that approximately 36 million adults who saw the movie were born again Christians and an additional 31 million were not born again.


THis suggests the total viewing audience was closer to 67 million people which would at least get the ticket price up to $6. (maybe a lot of people snuck in)
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This movie grossed $370 million in the US in less than a year. Overall it grossed $611 million. Then the video sales amounted to $245 million.

Many church groups rented this movie or bought it and showed it in church.
It would be impossible to say how many actually saw it. I borrowed a copy of it a year ago and haven't taken time to see it yet.

The survey was done from a little over 1,000 people. The estimated theater audience in the US, with an $8 ticket fee was 46 million.

By the time it had been out 6 months it surpassed the 8th highest grossing movie and became number 8. The movie it passed was Lord of the Rings.
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Passion of the Christ was the worst movie I have ever seen, a waste of my money and time. It did not change my religious view what so ever. But that's a whole other topic. I was hoping we could keep on the topic about Brokeback Mountain and if needed, we can start another about Passion of the Christ. :)
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Sorry Frankjake; didn't mean to get off subject. I was thinking that with a film like Passion, that is aimed directly at the heart of Christianity, garnered interest from at best 50% of the Christian population. Brokeback Mountain, for being touted by some as only a movie about gays, garnered interest from a considerably larger base than just the gay population. Not apples to apples, but a fair comparison. I may be forced to go see Brokeback, just because the more I hear about it, the more I think it may deserve the awards it has recieved.
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well, the more I hear about Brokeback Mountain, it's just an old story of two people wanting something they don't have the inner fortitude to take and be damned to public opinion.
we've seen it played out many times from hollywood.
the difference is: we've got two guys making love on screen instead of a guy and a gal.
it's a test case: testing the market. do folks want to see guys making it with guys and gals making it with gals? will it make money?
if so, get ready to see more of it, if you want to.
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No problem Passingthru.

And TexasShadow, you may be right about a "test". But maybe a few years back, well more than a few now, Ellen "came out" on her show and look what happened to that. I don't think it made in even one more season. But then look at Will and Grace, people love that show. So it's hard to say.

Personally I think with Ellen, after she made the point she was gay, then her show just started cramming it down everyones throat. I didn't like it at all. Will and Grace.... I guess the gay subject is just there and we all know it.

Sorry, even I got off topic! :ohmy:

I'm just not 100% sure how I feel about the movie Brokeback Mt. It's not a "porn flick" or anything even close so you don't see two guys going at it throughout the whole movie. I guess you could say it's a love story in a way. But maybe more just portraying what many gay people go through due to society.

I mentioned that I know a lot of gay people, both men and women. Most have been married and some even have children. In California, it's more "accepted" if that's the word I should use. You go to many parts of Los Angeles, Palm Springs, just about any place south of San Francisco and you will probably see a gay couple holding hands walking down the street or at least eating out together. But you go to a less populated area like Oregon and you don't see it at all. Maybe the "society" is just different in CA.
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