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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 15 2005, 09:47 AM (542 Views) | |
| 5thwheeler | Oct 17 2005, 11:16 AM Post #16 |
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Witch is witch? They're both lier's, but Slick Willie is the only competent one. |
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| DanHouck | Oct 18 2005, 06:14 AM Post #17 |
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Oh, for sure the Clinton administration was competent. That dot.com riot that they ignored, you know the one that set up the last stock market crash, never happened. And their response to the first attack on the WTC was so. . so. . . vigorous! Fifth, you gotta read something besides the L.A. Times and spend time on web sites besides MoveOn.org and Michael Moore. ![]() I'll give you this, though. That competition during the Clinton years between the Reps and Dems to be more fiscally responsible is sorely missed.
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| cmoehle | Oct 18 2005, 10:45 AM Post #18 |
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"That dot.com riot that they ignored" Is the business of government business? Our first coins were inscribed "Mind your business." I'm trying to figure the meaning of these result--if any. They do seem to reflect current dissatifaction. Was Clinton the greater populist? (I view populists negatively.) |
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| campingken | Oct 18 2005, 10:50 AM Post #19 |
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I sure miss BILL!!! It was a lot easier worrying about what Bill was doing to his interns then if George will re-call my son from the IRR (individual ready reserves) because he is running out of volunteers for his war against Iraq. However I do sleep easier knowing that no one in this White House is getting an oral "NOT REALLY SEX"....sex. Ken Sequim PS I made a lot of money during that "RIOT" |
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| DanHouck | Oct 18 2005, 12:12 PM Post #20 |
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Chris, there was all kinds of business and security fraud going on during the Clinton years. A lot of it involved dot coms but not all, such as Enron, WorldCom, Healthsouth, etc. The SEC was absolutely toothless during the Clinton years. Bush to his credit has been much tougher on business fraud. As to who is the greater populist, I have to say Bush.
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| 5thwheeler | Oct 18 2005, 01:41 PM Post #21 |
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The Business of America is Business? by Cyndy Bittinger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cyndy Bittinger is Executive Director of the Calvin Coolidge Memorial Foundation. This is the most famous misquote of Calvin Coolidge's. Where did historians get this quote and why have they used it in textbooks to get it so well known? The real statement comes from a speech by Calvin Coolidge called "The Press Under a Free Government" which was given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors in Washington, D.C. on January 17, 1925. The quote is really: "After all, the chief business of the American people is business." However, Coolidge goes on to say that, "Of course the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence." He discusses journalism and the thought that the business interests of newspaper owners should not taint reporting. He continues, "American newspapers have seemed to me to be particularly representative of this practical idealism of our people." His last paragraph in the speech shows what he really believes motivate Americans: We make no concealment of the fact that we want wealth, but there are many other things that we want very much more. We want peace and honor, and that charity which is so strong an element of all civilization. The chief ideal of the American people is idealism. I cannot repeat too often that America is a nation of idealists. That is the only motive to which they ever give any strong and lasting reaction. To quote Tom Silver (Coolidge and the Historians, 1982), "Coolidge's attitude toward money-making and wealth is the commonsensical one, namely, that wealth is justified only as a means to higher ends. Wealth does provide, in its turn, the leisure and the wherewithal to pursue, for instance, a liberal education, which is among the noblest ends of man." However, Professor Arthur Schlesinger in Crisis of the Old Order wrote, "(Coolidge's) speeches offered his social philosophy in dry pellets of aphorism. "The chief business of the American people," he said, "is business." But, for Coolidge, business was more than business; it was a religion; and to it he committed all the passion of his arid nature. "The man who builds a factory," he wrote, "builds a temple. The man who works there worships there." He (Coolidge) felt these things with a fierce intensity. Click on the URL and get the full story. "After all, the chief business of the American people is business." |
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| cmoehle | Oct 18 2005, 05:22 PM Post #22 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Dan, Enron and Clinton?
Timeline of Enron's Collapse, that was the start wasn't it? I'm not so much up on that. (In this presidential vote I voted Bush. Lesser of two weevils.) Bill, great find. While the business of government is not business, the business of the American people certainly is! |
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| DanHouck | Oct 18 2005, 05:41 PM Post #23 |
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Chris, Enron's basically fraudulent structure was in place and operating BEFORE Bush took office. No question he took money from these people. But he also really stepped up the attack on corporate fraud from the Clinton years. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 18 2005, 05:49 PM Post #24 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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I find a time line with 1996 The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission initiates the deregulation of energy markets. Is that when it started? Like I say, I'm not real up on it. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 18 2005, 06:32 PM Post #25 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Interesting the vote is close to RealClearPolitics Poll AverageSM: Right Track-Wrong Track/Direction of Country
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| Banandangees | Oct 18 2005, 07:42 PM Post #26 |
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Can I vote for Jimmy Carter? We do want peace don't we? Of course interest rates may rise a little but then, they've been sooo low for sooo long. Or maybe Ronald Reagan, I know he spent but he got some worldly things done without to many dying ..... well okay, he cuffed Kadafi around a little and made him back off. But I see Kadafi is starting to act up again and going to execute some Bulgarian nurses (for Israeli espionage) and wants Bulgaria to cough up a few billion as ransom. Bulgaria won't (as their yearly budget is about that). So, Europe is considering some financial recourse to secure release. Does that mean that Kadafi is back on the terror bandwagon again. And certainly the U.S. should not act on it, right. So, of the four (Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush (we'll leave out pappa Bush for the time being) would it be best to have in there now considering the world (and US) problems? |
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| cmoehle | Oct 18 2005, 07:49 PM Post #27 |
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Eisenhower gave Saddam nuclear arms plans, Reagan traded arms to terrorists, Clinton threw arms at them, Bush looked for arms (nuclear) in Iraq. Round and round we go, is this the arms race? |
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| pentax | Oct 18 2005, 08:45 PM Post #28 |
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I've never understood the term "arms race" - arms don't race; LEGS race.....
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