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Topic Started: Oct 12 2005, 10:16 PM (302 Views)
CalRed
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In all things showing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, sound speech that cannot be condemned.”
Titus 2:7-8

Is faith and works necessary? As Christians in the cause of Christ and the gospel message, we must meet the same standards as did Paul and Titus. We must discipline ourselves and have the courage to stand up for our convictions in the face of opposition. We would do well to remember the sound advice and exhortation in remembrance which Paul gave toTitus.

Faith must be the dominating factor in our lives and in all our thoughts, in which we clearly declare our hope and salvation in Christ Jesus. It is not enough to talk about what a Christian should be; we must show others by our example.

Tomorrow may never come. Let us not hesitate and put off doing necessary things for we all know tomorrow may never come and all will be lost through delay.

C
Something instead of Nothing?

"I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle.
God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing."
Alan Sandage

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DocInBird
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When Paul wrote this, the "enemy" was Rome. Currently, the "enemy" is the president of the US, who claims to hear voices from Jehovah that tell him to ignore the Bible and go bomb people in their sleep. The man doesn't believe the Bible. He only believes the imaginary voices in his head. He calls himself a Christian, as does Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell. Please, God, save us from these Christians.

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Just Doc and Orson (German Shepherd) wandering around North America.
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Jelly Bean
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cal, thanx for the reminder
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Justine
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:)
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When Paul wrote this, the "enemy" was Rome. Currently, the "enemy" is the president of the US, who claims to hear voices from Jehovah that tell him to ignore the Bible and go bomb people in their sleep. The man doesn't believe the Bible. He only believes the imaginary voices in his head. He calls himself a Christian, as does Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell. Please, God, save us from these Christians.


Well said Doc!
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.

Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida


How do you know? Did you read it in the Times? I find that the rethoric surrounding
this man so hateful that I am not sure if he is hated for what he does, or what he believes. Or if it is because he believes. Or is it because they hate the concept of Christianity, and Christ. If someone can explain how they get into his mind and evaluate his intentions I'd like to know how they do it.

I find those that oppose him have a great deal of hateful words, but lack vision and
fail to make meaningful contributions to foster the ideals they espouse. I will listen to all sides, but some substance please.
" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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mdp6320, I have never seen so much visceral hatred for a president in all of my life. I could never document that god speaks to him but that is besides the point. I voted for the man, and he lied to me, and took us to war. I feel individuals who have been "saved" have no place in positions of power. This revelation from jesus scares me. I think to much of a good thing "christanity" is dangerous such that it clouds the mind and places religion above all else, even controlling the most powerful country in the world. I will never forget the few days leading up to the bombing of Iraq with inspectors on the ground and not finding WMD's and Bush saying, prove that you do not have them. There was no way Saddam could PROVE that he did not have WMD's, which Bush demanded before he bombed an innocent country. This presidents mind was made up to do this horrible and inhumane act long before 911 and this gave him an excuse carry out the wishes of the neoconservative cabal that controlled him. He has destroyed our country in the eyes of the world, now we are well on the way to him putting us in bankruptcy with the cost of the war and his big tax cuts for the rich.

Two thousand of our best have been killed and no end in sight. Some legacy for a supposed christian to carry around with him for the rest of his life. I truly PITY this mockery of a human being.

Now that I got this off of my shoulder I feel much better.
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.

Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
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...Is faith and works necessary?...


Hebrews 11:6
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


Both are necessary. Faith is necessary to please God and works a product of that faith in Him. When the seed of faith is planted the crop of good works will grow from it.


JAS 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

JAS 2:18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.


Thanks CalRed, good word.





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I have never seen so much visceral hatred for a president in all of my life.


I have. Bill Clinton is STILL being bashed.
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"I have never seen so much visceral hatred for a president in all of my life. "

Clinton.



Please God?

Suicide bombers seek to please God and gain rewards in the afterlife. Puritans burned witches and Inquistiors tortured to please God and gain rewards in the afterlife.

Who's to say?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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There is no reason that I can think of why anyone should not be entitled to express his opinion about the President, this one or any other. However let me say that when he took office, I never heard him say that he would keep us out of a war. I don't think he ever imagined that there would be a 9/11 or a battle with islamofacist intent on killing Christians and Jews. Hussein had every opportunity to comply, and he chose not to.
The UN passed 17 resolutions than Hussein failed to comply with. France, Germany, and England all had the same intelligence indicating that he had WMDs, and indeed just because they weren't there when we had a chance to look doesn't mean they never existed.
I vote for a representative, whether a legislator or executive (in this case the president) on his willingness to uphold the Constitution, his ability to protect us, because those are his FIRST responsibilities. The fact that he has to invade another country to do so matters little. He must meet his responsibilities to the US first. Can he be mistaken? Well he's human and that's always a possibility, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, as long as he protects us and defends the Constitution.
The Congress authorized the action in Iraq, the people supported it, and the majority still does.
There's a price to pay for freedom and every generation seems to pick up part of the tab. In Viet Nam it was 50,000. I feel fortunate than we only have 2,000 dead in this war. One is one too many, but 2,000 is a hell of a lot better than 100,000.

I am convinced it's not the war, it's not the economy, it's not the religion; it is unbridled hatred for the man, because he won the election and his success in defeating democrats.

" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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campingken
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MDPD6320,

I don't agree with you re: Bush. When he won or didn't win the first election I really had no opinion about him. However in the last 5 years he has trashed the budget, sent us off to a war we didn't need to fight (I don't give a hoot if Clinton etc thought Saddam had WMD'd Bush pulled the trigger and they weren't there.)

As a person who loves the out of doors Bush and his neo-cons are working as hard as possible to do away with wilderness, clean water, clean air etc. Wars will always be fought and the economy will rise and fall. However once we lose a wild place it is gone forever.

I don't believe in God but I have no problem with those who do. Why is it that they feel compelled to force their beliefs onto me? What ever happened to "live and let live." I'd rather roast in hell than spend eternity with a zealot of any religion.

Ken
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campingKen, you are in good company



If there is a God who will damn his children forever,
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I would rather go to hell than to go to heaven and keep the society of such an infamous tyrant
. I make my choice now. I despise that doctrine. It has covered the cheeks of this world with tears. It has polluted the hearts of children, and poisoned the imaginations of men.... What right have you, sir, Mr. clergyman, you, minister of the gospel to stand at the portals of the tomb, at the vestibule of eternity, and fill the future with horror and with fear? I do not believe this doctrine, neither do you. If you did, you could not sleep one moment. Any man who believes it, and has within his breast a decent, throbbing heart, will go insane. A man who believes that doctrine and does not go insane has the heart of a snake and the conscience of a hyena.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "The Liberty Of All" (1877)

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.

Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
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Jelly Bean
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Oct 13 2005, 11:41 AM
There is no reason that I can think of why anyone should not be entitled to express his opinion about the President, this one or any other. However let me say that when he took office, I never heard him say that he would keep us out of a war. I don't think he ever imagined that there would be a 9/11 or a battle with islamofacist intent on killing Christians and Jews. Hussein had every opportunity to comply, and he chose not to.
The UN passed 17 resolutions than Hussein failed to comply with. France, Germany, and England all had the same intelligence indicating that he had WMDs, and indeed just because they weren't there when we had a chance to look doesn't mean they never existed.
I vote for a representative, whether a legislator or executive (in this case the president) on his willingness to uphold the Constitution, his ability to protect us, because those are his FIRST responsibilities. The fact that he has to invade another country to do so matters little. He must meet his responsibilities to the US first. Can he be mistaken? Well he's human and that's always a possibility, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, as long as he protects us and defends the Constitution.
The Congress authorized the action in Iraq, the people supported it, and the majority still does.
There's a price to pay for freedom and every generation seems to pick up part of the tab. In Viet Nam it was 50,000. I feel fortunate than we only have 2,000 dead in this war. One is one too many, but 2,000 is a hell of a lot better than 100,000.

I am convinced it's not the war, it's not the economy, it's not the religion; it is unbridled hatred for the man, because he won the election and his success in defeating democrats.

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ozarkpreacher
Oct 13 2005, 09:04 AM
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...Is faith and works necessary?...


Hebrews 11:6
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


Both are necessary. Faith is necessary to please God and works a product of that faith in Him. When the seed of faith is planted the crop of good works will grow from it.


JAS 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

JAS 2:18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.


Thanks CalRed, good word.

amen op :preach:
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