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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 8 2005, 05:41 AM (140 Views) | |
| cmoehle | Oct 8 2005, 05:41 AM Post #1 |
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Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling. "Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University. Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power." Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible. According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise. The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision." "We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said. Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis. "Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling." Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture. "Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how." "Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'" Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics. "Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus." |
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| Jelly Bean | Oct 8 2005, 05:46 AM Post #2 |
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| passinthru | Oct 8 2005, 05:52 AM Post #3 |
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John - Gainesville, FL
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Now, if they were talking about levitation vs "intelligent lifting" I might go along with it.
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| brewster | Oct 8 2005, 05:02 PM Post #4 |
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"Intelligent Falling" - is it still called that after 6-7 Beers? :5shots:
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| passinthru | Oct 9 2005, 05:54 AM Post #5 |
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Or is it only falling where there is good insurance?
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| cruiser | Oct 9 2005, 06:06 AM Post #6 |
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Chris, Please tell me that this some kind of joke! |
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Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662) | |
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| bikemanb | Oct 9 2005, 07:18 AM Post #7 |
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ROTFLMAO How can one refute such an argument.....The Onion does it again. |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| cruiser | Oct 9 2005, 08:21 AM Post #8 |
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Chris, you are to much. I have always felt that these ID people have mush for brains and for one brief moment I thought this was true. You S.O.B! |
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Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662) | |
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| puli-one | Oct 9 2005, 09:24 AM Post #9 |
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Does the theory hold up if they drop something heavy on their foot, is it still God's will or is it severe pain with a profanities aplenty calling to the higher power. |
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| 5thwheeler | Oct 9 2005, 04:59 PM Post #10 |
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Get the message?
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Gravity Schmavity!!! :noproblem: There is no such force as gravity... period. Everyone knows.... "The whole world sucks big time."
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| cmoehle | Oct 9 2005, 08:04 PM Post #11 |
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What a pessimistic statement. Be optimistic, say it blows big time! |
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| 5thwheeler | Oct 10 2005, 09:04 AM Post #12 |
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Get the message?
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Blowing is a repulsive force... but in my book, getting blown isn't!
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| puli-one | Oct 10 2005, 09:52 AM Post #13 |
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Which is a oxymoron I would joyously say! |
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