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| brewster | Oct 8 2005, 06:59 PM Post #31 |
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And Feddoc, Citizens come in many flavours. Repeating the mantra that an armed citizenry is always a GOOD THING does NOT make it true. Especially when all recent evidence is against it. |
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| brewster | Oct 8 2005, 07:03 PM Post #32 |
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You mean you think your citizenry IS a Well Regulated Militia? Regulated by what? I'm not picking on the US here, the same arguments apply virtually everywhere. The only exceptions I can think of are Switzerland, Finland, and Israel, but that's because EVERYONE is deemed to be in the army, and trained accordingly, a very different scenario. |
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| corky52 | Oct 8 2005, 07:08 PM Post #33 |
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Isn't a militia more a plea against having a professional hereditary military? A term in the military for many citizen spreads skills needed to keep the military in line in to the body politic and keeps the military infiltrated with people with interests outside of the military. A weapon isn't nearly as important as the knowledge of how to use it effectively. Weapons are easily made or acquired, the skills to use them are something it take time to learn. |
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| brewster | Oct 8 2005, 08:00 PM Post #34 |
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Corky, your piece makes a certain sense, and describes the Swiss/Finnish/Israeli situation quite well. If EVERYONE was part of the military process, then what would be to fear? The Us vs Them feeling would be gone, and there would not need to be a military establishment. Simultaneously, Deaths from Guns would probably decrease. The three countries listed above have quite low gun death rates, in spite of the high rate of gun ownership (near 100%). Why? Because everyone has been trained to know and respect their weapon. It is not a toy, a status symbol, nor a collector's item. It is simply a tool. |
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| corky52 | Oct 8 2005, 08:11 PM Post #35 |
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Brew, Coming from a family that has a tradition of service, you learn a lot from doing that term. Guns are only a very small part of the picture, the skills and discipline you learn have uses throughout life and you have a much stronger sense of self. The two biggest things I came out of the service with were a sense of country and knowing the difference between panic and planning. Knowing something might happen and planning to handle it, is way different than being afraid of something and letting that fear rule you. Fear is the mind killer, one should not let fear dictate one's actions. |
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| brewster | Oct 8 2005, 08:19 PM Post #36 |
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Corky, Agreed. I'm not at all sure the US / Canada should have abandoned Conscription... Especially for me here in Canada, with two separate cultures, I feel I have a much better understanding of the Quebec point of view after serving side by side with Quebecers in the Air Force. I think similar things would apply in most every country.. |
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| pentax | Oct 8 2005, 08:23 PM Post #37 |
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feddoc - with respect, I live in a country where you can have long-guns and shotguns, though the Government wants to know about it (which I consider crap). You can also own a hand-gun, but YOU BETTER have it registered, or you face some serious Goverment-paid vacation. And if you want to transport it, you have to have an "point A to point B" permit. I only know, and have known, two people that owned hand-guns - most Canadians would say "What would I do with one?". SO, tell me why my wife and I don't have to go to mandatory "Party Re-Education Meetings", once a week? |
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| corky52 | Oct 8 2005, 08:34 PM Post #38 |
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Brew, A common set of experiences and the exposure to people from all over the country certainly is a good thing, goes to binding us together. Also good for the kids to get experience in the world out from under Mom and Dad's thumb, but still in a semi safe environment. Lots of valuable life lessons learned, doing things you never thought of and growing up. Plus I learned a whole lot of new swear words in many languages.
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| brewster | Oct 8 2005, 08:46 PM Post #39 |
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I did the same, Corky!!! I learned to read & write French fairly well in High School, but with no spoken French in the area, the sounds were beyond me. I thought that sharing space with Quebecers would help, but the swear words were the only part that stuck. Now I could make even the toughest Montreal cop blush, still can't order supper! |
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| feddoc | Oct 8 2005, 09:00 PM Post #40 |
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Once again, provide your evidence. Show me the statistcal proof, not what you believe. |
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| feddoc | Oct 8 2005, 09:01 PM Post #41 |
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By the laws of our country. |
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| brewster | Oct 8 2005, 09:15 PM Post #42 |
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Feddoc:I gave you clear evidence of what an armed citizenry can do, in Germany, Italy, Russia and Spain.. And while I referred to these people as thugs, that's only because I am on the winning side. I am sure they thought of themselves as Patriots. If what Hitler did doesn't count as an example of the harm an armed citizenry can do, even one that thinks it's doing right, I don't know what would.
Hmm, I hadn't realized that the laws mandated the highest rate of gun deaths in the world - maybe those regulations need to be reviewed.... |
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| feddoc | Oct 8 2005, 09:22 PM Post #43 |
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I do not care what happened in those countries....I usually mind my own business. Perhaps you should get into more precise evidence before you post your lack of evidence. Hmmmmm, 22,000 gun laws in the US...tell us, with all your wisdom, which ones should we review? BTW, which of OUR laws 'madate' the highest rate of gun deaths? I wasn't aware that laws mandate a death rate. Things must have changed since I studied law. |
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| feddoc | Oct 8 2005, 09:24 PM Post #44 |
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Since YOU brought these countries up, what do you suppose, with all those nasty evil guns...what do you suppose their crime rate is? BTW, since our violent crime rate has stayed at a 30 year low, yet we are making more guns.......why isn't the crime rate with firearms going up? |
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| feddoc | Oct 8 2005, 09:41 PM Post #45 |
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I have no idea what direction you are leading with that question. A bit of detail if you please. |
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