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| corky52 | Oct 7 2005, 08:59 PM Post #16 |
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Chris, The INTERNET killed Sears, I thought WM killed sears? I'm flexible, inflation right now is what's going to happen, deal with it or get hurt, simple as that. Mort age to the hilt and in a couple of years give the banks and retirement funds back dollars worth $0.25, let the little guys suffer, I'll jack the rents up. People who have assets rather than survival debts and junk will win. |
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| tomdrobin | Oct 8 2005, 08:49 PM Post #17 |
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Chris This is a tough one. On one hand we, because of our civility and compassion for others want to help the less fortunate. But, in doing so we help propogate a population that according to the first law of nature should not survive. What to do? Involuntary sterilization? That would be considered unhumane and the PC folks would jump all over it. So by our current entitlement policies we encourage propogation of the least fittest. A bad situation. But, we are trapped, by our civility. Pragmatically, perhaps we should have sent in the soilent green trucks after the disaster in NO. But, that is contrary to our humanitarian and civil philosophy. Catch 22? |
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| bikemanb | Oct 9 2005, 07:15 AM Post #18 |
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Tom, You hit upon my biggest issue with private accounts for SS reform, those that would have retired under a program like that in the post 9/11 days would have been seriously up the creek. As Americans what would we have done, say, "tough, that is the free market and you just have to take your lumps"? I doubt it, we would have dug deep to help those that had the misfortune of retiring at the wrong time, so we would end up paying more taxes not less. |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| cmoehle | Oct 9 2005, 09:04 AM Post #19 |
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"Catch 22?" Not at all. Social Darwinism, an invention not of Darwin but Herbert Spencer, i.e., "survival of the fittest", has been shown inapplicable to the nature of society, largely because we think as designers. As Holmes famously said in his 1905 Lockner v. New York dissent, "...the Fourteenth Amendment does not enact Mr. Herbert Spencer's Social Statics." Nothing wrong with giving to the poor and needy and unfortunate, but that giving is usually a deterrent rather than an incentive. The one gem in all the millions or more being handed out to New Orleans is the homestead provision where people are given the opporitunity to work to own a piece of property, with the long range vision that once they have that they will work harder to keep and protect it and pass not only the property but the attitude down to their children. It is a hand up that provides incentive and a huge potential payback to society. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| 5thwheeler | Oct 9 2005, 03:34 PM Post #20 |
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"And, I bet it's a Bush hater to boot" Why is it when anyone makes a negative comment about Bush our Cons call them "Bush haters". Haters??? Hate is such a powerful word and our Cons use it all the time. "The liberals hate this, and the liberals that", yet our Cons are the most hate filled folks I know! Just listen to them talk, or read their post here and elsewhere and it becomes self evident. :security: |
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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But it's true. Throwing money at welfare creates a viscious cycle of throwing good money after bad.
1:03 PM Jul 11