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God Tells Bush What To Do.; Is our prez a fruitcake?
Topic Started: Oct 6 2005, 10:50 AM (527 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Jelly: "God does speak."

More anthropomorphism.

What language?




Ozark: "Some are so wrapped up in their version of religion or what they like to refer to as their brand of "christianity" God can't get a word in edgewise. JMHO."

Just my humble agreement.


If God is infinite then he is not not infinite and that leads to a contradiction, as all such anthropomorphic theistic attempts at definition do.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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tomdrobin
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5thwheeler
Oct 9 2005, 11:19 PM
tomdrobin
Oct 6 2005, 10:32 PM
roscoe
Oct 7 2005, 04:29 AM
I hope God doesn't get all mad and tell George to pick up the " RED " phone and launch a few biggies at those bad people.

I doubt that he would tell GW to do that. The children of Isreal have their own nuclear arsenal, and I'm sure god would trust the dirty work to them.


First you say:
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"You, and I may not agree with his/their beliefs, but that is no reason to riducule them for what they believe."


Then you say:
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"The children of Isreal have their own nuclear arsenal, and I'm sure god would trust the dirty work to them."


Why?

Well 5th, I think god must have told me that. Or, perhaps it's just a hunch. Maybe god caused me to have the hunch. He works in mysterious ways.
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patticake
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God does speak to me...ive never heard him verably
but thru my counscious ive heard him lots of time..
if im going to do something that isnt quiet right, i feel guilty
until ive done it or not done it...if i do it and its wrong, its eats
away at me, and i believe that is God speaking to me thru my
consciouse (sp)..
If ive wronged someone i feel this way until i make it right, hopefully,
ive made this post about as clear as mud, i can feel Gods presense but
i cant see him,alth i know he is there...He is all around us all the time..
thats where our faith comes in...We can see the trees bending back and
fourth,from the wind, but we cant see the wind from whence it came....patti
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
The voice of conscience you call God? Might be memory of things parents and teachers and others taught you. How do you know?

Just asking.

Wind in trees however can be sensed. Wind is measurable.

I understand it is faith. But faith in what?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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ozarkpreacher
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...what is faith


faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not yet seen.
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ozarkpreacher
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Wind in trees however can be sensed.


so can the presence of God to those who wish to fellowship with Him. He is a gentleman and will not go where He is not welcome or wanted.

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pentax
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cmoehle
Oct 9 2005, 07:48 PM
Just asking.

Wind in trees however can be sensed. Wind is measurable.

I understand it is faith. But faith in what?

Faith is simply KNOWING, in your heart and soul, regardless of whether others understand OR agree.

I cannot get a pencil and paper and PROVE to you that the Sun will rise in the morning - maybe there are some that can, but I am not among them.

On the other hand, I KNOW it will....



"Knowledge is Certainty - Knowledge is not Data"... one of L. Ron Hubbard's more sensible principles.

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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
ozarkpreacher
Oct 9 2005, 09:53 PM
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...what is faith


faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not yet seen.

I've looked now several times for where anyone asked that question. No one did.

Just above I had said "I understand it is faith. But faith in what?"


Ozark "so can the presence of God to those who wish to fellowship with Him."

By faith, I presume? Else, please, explain.


Ozark "He is a gentleman and will not go where He is not welcome or wanted."

More anthropomorphization. The problem with that is it is so limiting, almost blasphemous, negates omnipresence.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
pentax
Oct 9 2005, 11:26 PM
cmoehle
Oct 9 2005, 07:48 PM
Just asking.

Wind in trees however can be sensed. Wind is measurable.

I understand it is faith. But faith in what?

Faith is simply KNOWING, in your heart and soul, regardless of whether others understand OR agree.

I cannot get a pencil and paper and PROVE to you that the Sun will rise in the morning - maybe there are some that can, but I am not among them.

On the other hand, I KNOW it will....



"Knowledge is Certainty - Knowledge is not Data"... one of L. Ron Hubbard's more sensible principles.

:tiphat:

With all due respect, Mur, I understand what faith is. I'm asking faith in what.

The "rise of the sun" was proven by Nicholas Copernicus around 1500 something, and for this he was persecuted by Christians, since his data disturbed their certainty the sun revolved around the earth.

I do agree though that as normal human beings we know the sun will rise again, probably--based on the observation of it each morning and the application of inductive logic across the gap of time from past to furture.

But none of that answers faith in what.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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MDPD6320
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I would rather be led by someone with the humility to kneel and ask for guidance than
some who obviously believes they know everything. The man has religious convictions
and is entitled to them. To denigrate him for his belief is not only unfair, but flies in the face of out Constitutional right to exercise his (our) religious beliefs.
" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Religion is an individual right, no denying that, but I'd rather have one humble enough he listens a little more to the people he serves.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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Sea Hound
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Why are the Gods of all religions forever telling their adherants to kill the members of other religions?
Why do the members of each religion ask their God for aid and blessing in killing the members of the(at the time) enemy religion?
Why are Christions so sure that their, johnny-come- lately,religion is the correct one?
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cmoehle
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Sea, it's only some, with loud, insecure voices. The majority I know don't need to belittle others to bolster their faith.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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cruiser
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I don't know much about religion but it seems to me that the world has a whole bunch of egotistical gods, from the god of christianity to the god of the hebrews to the god of the muslim people. When I say egotistical, I mean, " if you do not believe in me you shall go to some horrible place like hell" and Etc. I think that if you are a good person with empathy for those who have less than you, and do the decent things for your fellow man and beasts, any god who would send you to a bad place because you do not believe him, is an evil god, and I would not accept his offer. I do what I do, not for the promise of of a life in heaven, I do it for my own personal conduct of life and if any god wants to condemn me for my choice I say screw him.
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.

Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
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5thwheeler
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Get the message?
Wooow! If hell is such a bad place, then why are so many fine upstanding "God fearing" people going there?

If the Devil is so bad, why don't I hear about "Devil fearing" people?

Hell... there must be some attraction to the place, a whole lot of people want to spend eternity there!
History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

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