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What Isn't Being Talked About?; Ramping up to the real threat?
Topic Started: Oct 5 2005, 01:09 AM (171 Views)
corky52
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/04/bus...nflu/index.html

Wanting military at the ready makes me wonder about several things!

Power grab or a bigger threat than is being let on?
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Jelly Bean
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I feel like I live in this upside down world where right is wrong, and wrong is right
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corky52
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JB,
You just need to be more paranoid of "leaders"! I wonder about motives, to need to use the military the situation would have to be awfully bad or there is something else going on.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Lately it seems he wants the military brought in for every problem--hurricanes, now bird flu. It's not just a big central government that Bush seeks, but power centralized in the executive. I sense this is his strongest motivation even in his court nominees.
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corky52
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Has Nixon been reincarnated?
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Fr. Mike
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I think the president needs to ramp up the Border Patrol and secure our borders. Bring the states National guards home so they can perform the time honored tradition of assisting their fellow state citizens in the event of emergencies.

Here in Arizona we don't need a Federal Army from Washington involved in our disease control efforts. We have our own state health department that gets

assistance from the center for disease control.

If we need to have troops--we have our own guard--if it will just come home and do its duty.

I'm fairly fed up with president Bush.
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MDPD6320
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida

We keep warning about the presence of the federal government in every phase of our existence. People must understand that continual criticism of things like FEMA's response, and the dragging of the federal government into every emergency, where there is an apparent good reason for their presence, provides a foot in the door for other less agreeable consequences. When local and state officials fail to carry out their responsibilities, they must be held accountable by the people who elected them. Dependence on the federal government to right all wrongs, and do the job of local government, will ultimately lead to a loss of freedom.
When President Bush suggests that the military be used domestically to quarantine a locality in the event an outbreak of avian flu occurs federalism has gone too far.
" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

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Chris - San Antonio TX
IMO, the blame can be allocated in a pyramid, the lower, more local levels receiving the bulk of it, largely for not taking responsibility but depending on others, mayor on governor and federal authorities, governor on federal authorities as well, and federal authorities, like FEMA, failing because big government bureaucracies are bulky and inflexible and slow, in short not solutions but problems by their very nature. Let's not in reaction invert the pyramid.
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puli-one
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As a outsider looking in, it appears that if Bush is successful in convincing others the need for increased military participation, he is really trying to justify instituting the Draft once again to attain the numbers he seeks. Recruitment figures have dropped from their targets, the Draft is a easy solution.
Can America afford the scale of the military which he seeks !
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MDPD6320
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida

We have more than enough military to do what's necessary. We however don't need to

use them on what is the responsibility and obligation of civilian authority.
" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

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pentax
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Kamloops - BC Interior
"Can America afford the scale of the military which he seeks"

I don't see how he thinks it can afford what he has NOW - In mid-1999, a few months after his Inauguration, the Federal Debt was $5.6 Trillion - It is now almost $8 Trillion (doubtless will be by Christmas).
That's a 43% increase - in SIX YEARS.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
THis seems to fit...Andy Rooney, Ike Was Right About War Machine
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'm not really clear how much a billion dollars is but the United States — our United States — is spending $5.6 billion a month fighting this war in Iraq that we never should have gotten into.

We still have 139,000 soldiers in Iraq today.

Almost 2,000 Americans have died there. For what?

Now we have the hurricanes to pay for. One way our government pays for a lot of things is by borrowing from countries like China.

Another way the government is planning to pay for the war and the hurricane damage is by cutting spending for things like Medicare prescriptions, highway construction, farm payments, AMTRAK, National Public Radio and loans to graduate students. Do these sound like the things you'd like to cut back on to pay for Iraq?

I'll tell you where we ought to start saving: on our bloated military establishment.

We're paying for weapons we'll never use.

No other Country spends the kind of money we spend on our military. Last year Japan spent $42 billion. Italy spent $28 billion, Russia spent only $19 billion. The United States spent $455 billion.

We have 8,000 tanks for example. One Abrams tank costs 150 times as much as a Ford station wagon.

We have more than 10,000 nuclear weapons — enough to destroy all of mankind.

We're spending $200 million a year on bullets alone. That's a lot of target practice. We have 1,155,000 enlisted men and women and 225,000 officers. One officer to tell every five enlisted soldier what to do. We have 40,000 colonels alone and 870 generals.

We had a great commander in WWII, Dwight Eisenhower. He became President and on leaving the White House in 1961, he said this: “We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. …"

Well, Ike was right. That's just what’s happened.
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corky52
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GWB's stripping the states of their National Guards is the reason he feels free to bring up the FEDERAL Troops idea. Whole country under marshal law and a "National Emergency", might just have to call off the elections for a while? Maybe God is visiting his punishments on the U.S. and GWB feels he needs to stay in power to lead the U.S. back to God. It would be for our own good I'm sure.

Blue states are the first place that troops might be needed?????
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pentax
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A more "alarmist" thinker than I am might suggest something that sounds far-fetched, at first: If citizens become accustomed enough to seeing Military Uniforms in their towns and cities, many other possibilities move a step or so closer to do-able..... happened in another (European) country, some 7 decades ago.

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Fr. Mike
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Excellent points.
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