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Time To Put Heads On The Block; Iraq goal setting?
Topic Started: Oct 2 2005, 09:05 PM (489 Views)
corky52
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Instead of the mush that is currently being talked about, how about some finite goals and finite assignment of responsibility for those goals. GWB sets goals and a time table, says who's responsible and how long, fail and you're gone in disgrace. Failure in Iraq is not now an option, but neither is it a possibility because there are no bench marks. Time to spell out the job?
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John - Gainesville, FL
I think Kenedy's statement was a good example of what you mean.
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"I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth," he said.

There is no question as to the goal and when it will be achieved, and by who.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
While a clear statement of reasonable goals would be a welcome change, I don't think you can put war on a timetable.
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kajtek1
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Kris, CA
Politics and solid timetable.
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cmoehle
Oct 3 2005, 04:59 AM
While a clear statement of reasonable goals would be a welcome change, I don't think you can put war on a timetable.

Which war, the war in Iraq, or the war on terrorism? President Photo-op declared victory in Iraq back in 2003. Iraq doesn't harbor International terrorists, so we aren't fighting them there. Where are we fighting International terrorists? So, I guess your right, we can't put a timetable on a war thats over, or one that doesn't exist.

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Friday, 2 May, 2003  Bush declares victory in Iraq

Cheers greeted Mr Bush's announcement of victory
US President George W Bush has said the US has prevailed in the Battle of Iraq in a speech on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln.

He explicitly linked the conflict in the Gulf to the 11 September 2001 terror attacks on the United States.

Mr Bush landed on the aircraft carrier in a small navy plane, making him the first sitting US president to take part in a so-called tailhook landing.

We have begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated.

George W Bush
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Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Re timetable, any war. Iraq or, especially, Terror or any other.
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TexasShadow
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I'd like to hear Bush (or Condoleeza) make a speech to the iraqi people about taking some personal responsibility (risk of life and limb) towards what they really want.
Do the majority of them WANT a democracy wherein all iraqis are free to worship as they see fit...or not?
I've recently read about an idea of their building something like a federation...where each faction (3 main ones I think) are allowed some self government.
Don't know if that can work or not, but we need to tell them that it is their choice....to go on fighting and killing each other for another 1000 years or settle for personal choice of religious ways.
We need to ask them to decide WHAT is most important to them....a stable, progressive nation or never ending tribal warfare over religious differences.
They need to hear and understand that we can't possibly help them achieve peace and progress until they want it badly enough to weed out the violent disrupters themselves....guard their borders to prevent outside terrorists from coming in, etc.
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Banandangees
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"Which war, the war in Iraq, or the war on terrorism? President Photo-op declared victory in Iraq back in 2003. Iraq doesn't harbor International terrorists, so we aren't fighting them there."

Hm, Who are those guys?

Who, you mean the ones sneaking in through Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia... Abu Zarqawi and all them?

Yes, those?

They're insurgents.
Banan
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Nope, those are foreign fighters, relatively recent arrivals, after us.

Military estimates the insurgency total at 20,000. Military estimates put foreign fighters at 6% of the insurgency. Al Quida might be 1% of that--and remember, Al Zarqawi and UBL had a falling out: AZ prefers local terrorism, UBL global terrorism. Recall too the Terror War is supposed to be against global terrorism.
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Banandangees
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Zarqawi (a foreign fighter who prefers local terrorism) along with the rest of the "1%" Al Quida;

AND the insurgents (who are who?....Sunnis primarily??...)

Of the two, which is murdering all those fellow Iraqis every day?
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Banandangees
Oct 3 2005, 11:17 AM
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"Which war, the war in Iraq, or the war on terrorism? President Photo-op declared victory in Iraq back in 2003. Iraq doesn't harbor International terrorists, so we aren't fighting them there."

Hm, Who are those guys?

Who, you mean the ones sneaking in through Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia... Abu Zarqawi and all them?

Yes, those?

They're insurgents.

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Who, you mean the ones sneaking in through Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia... Abu Zarqawi and all them?


Now why would International Terrorist sneak into Iraq through Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia when they already live and breath in countries that support them? How could they survive the night without the locals aiding and abetting them? What kind of hostile incident (real or otherwise, it doesn't mater) will have to happen before Bush sends our kids across the border of those countries?

Just asking???

Oh by the way, according to Merriam Webster the ones sneaking in through Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia... Abu Zarqawi and all them? Yes, those are not insurgents.

Main Entry: 1inˇsurˇgent
Pronunciation: -j&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin insurgent-, insurgens, present participle of insurgere to rise up, from in- + surgere to rise -- more at SURGE
1 : a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent
2 : one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one's own political party

Hummmm... true, there is an established government in Iraq, established by an army of occupation. I can say this for sure, if any foreign army occupied America, this boy would be an insurgent to the end. Wouldn't you? Think about it...

Main Entry: belˇligˇerˇent
Pronunciation: -r&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: modification of Latin belligerant-, belligerans, present participle of belligerare to wage war, from belliger waging war, from bellum + gerere to wage
1 : waging war; specifically : belonging to or recognized as a state at war and protected by and subject to the laws of war
2 : inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativen
History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

:ohmy:
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
"Of the two, which is murdering all those fellow Iraqis every day?"

Both. And?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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tomdrobin
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cmoehle
Oct 3 2005, 04:33 PM
Re timetable, any war. Iraq or, especially, Terror or any other.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
The naysayers and negativists can't or don't want to grasp this concept.

Granted maybe it was a mistake to take this on, but we now must see it through. Granted their are insurgents planting roadside bombs etc. But, I would venture to guess most of the suicide bombings that are killing mostly civilians (terrorists attacks) are being performed by religious zealots both foreign and home grown.
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corky52
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We are wining!

Trust me, would I lie to you?


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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Winning or whining? :o
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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