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| cmoehle | Oct 2 2005, 07:30 AM Post #31 |
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feddoc to Kate: "It will be interesting to see if you hold those same values to those with which you agree with politically." In Kate's defense, she is probably more conservative than you. Her criticism is as genuine as the President's was. What Bennett said was, to be PC, inappropriate. |
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| Kate and Ed | Oct 2 2005, 11:16 AM Post #32 |
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Feddoc, what Chris said. JMO but not Bennett's most articulate moment. Kate |
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| cmoehle | Oct 2 2005, 11:28 AM Post #33 |
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This might give some better perspective for those who think this is an attack on what Bennett used to stand for, for those who think everything is about partisan politics. It goes back to revelations about his gambling habit, but fits as well here. Bill Bennet, Virtue, Hypocrisy, and Vice
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| feddoc | Oct 6 2005, 07:04 AM Post #34 |
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Not likely. Also not likely that she needs someone to defend her. Additionally, not much was said in the press when these comments were made. They didn't seem interested. Rep. Rangel said, "George Bush is our Bull Connor," referring to the former Birmingham, Ala., police commissioner who, in 1963, turned fire hoses and attack dogs on civil rights activists, including Martin Luther King Jr. REP. Major Owens, D-N.Y., elaborated, "Bull Connor didn't even pretend that he cared about African-Americans. You have to give it to George Bush for being even more diabolical. . . . This is worse than Bull Connor." Rev. Al Sharpton chimed in, "We've gone from fire hoses to levees." New York City Councilman Charles Barron said Rangel's statement was " . . . an insult to Connor. George Bush is worse, because he has more power and he's more destructive to our people. . . . A KKK without power is not as bad as a George Bush with power." |
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| cmoehle | Oct 6 2005, 10:37 AM Post #35 |
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Likely. Not likely. Why didn't you say something? Besides, two wrongs don't make a right. |
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| feddoc | Oct 6 2005, 06:03 PM Post #36 |
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Not likely, not even close. |
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| tomdrobin | Oct 6 2005, 09:59 PM Post #37 |
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What if he said, If we abort every caucasion baby the crime rate will go down. This is true also, but probably wouldn't have raised a such a PC fuss as his remark using blacks as an example. He was responding to a comment linking an increase in abortion rates to a decrease in crime. |
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| feddoc | Oct 6 2005, 10:02 PM Post #38 |
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tomrobin, that was sorta my point. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 7 2005, 04:29 AM Post #39 |
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Tom "What if he said, If we abort every caucasion baby the crime rate will go down. This is true also, but probably wouldn't have raised a such a PC fuss as his remark using blacks as an example." feddoc "tomrobin, that was sorta my point." It would be as racist and immoral a remark to make. What if he had said Jews? That was sort of my point. I have already addressed the PC aspect of this as well. "He was responding to a comment linking an increase in abortion rates to a decrease in crime." That is simply not accurate. Bennet made that comment, and he based it, as I pointed out earlier, on his own biased misreading of Freakonomics. He had been asked--baited is likely--about news articles linking abortion and loss of revenue to fund SS--and bit it hook line and sinker. |
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| feddoc | Oct 7 2005, 04:25 PM Post #40 |
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Gotta have the last word, huh??
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| cmoehle | Oct 7 2005, 04:36 PM Post #41 |
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What a lame response. Did you get caught being PC? |
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| feddoc | Oct 7 2005, 06:06 PM Post #42 |
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Meant to be a joke...lighten up. I care not about being PC. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 7 2005, 06:14 PM Post #43 |
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OK, great. But now you've got me interested in this PC thing. I mean the charge that someone is PC, which we hear all too often, is in itself often PC. It as if, in this case, the line of argument presented is a PC way of saying to question Bill Bennett is taboo, it's somehow sacred ground. Perhaps you too could lighten up. |
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| Colo_Crawdad | Oct 7 2005, 07:12 PM Post #44 |
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Let me suggest that had he said that and had he been black, the right wing press and internet blogs would have been all over him for racism. |
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| tomdrobin | Oct 7 2005, 07:45 PM Post #45 |
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quote from Bennett: "BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well -- I haven't read the book Chris so your ahead of me on that. But, his statement as quoted above says it is a hypothesis presented in the book. He does not say the book reaches this as a conclusion. So although he may be biased on what the book says, he is not entirely wrong when he mentions it. I listened to an interview about this incident on NPR. That's actually where I got the aborting all causcasion babies would have the same effect info. From a PC standpoint he put his foot in his mouth and said something politically damaging and unwise. I don't think it was intended as a racist remark, it was an anti-abortion remark. It is too bad they we have become so hypersensitive about statements concerning race, even ones that are true and statistically verfiable, that one slip of the tounge and an individual is villified and branded as racist. |
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