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Bennett
Topic Started: Oct 1 2005, 07:07 AM (775 Views)
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida

Well, I certainly got the call wrong. My perception based on TV etc. wasn't correct in what the conversation was. Mea culpa.

My complaint is with the manner in which the objection is raised as in my estimation
it is disproportionate to the remark. When people are so thoroughly criticized for their point of view others are silenced, even in the face of the truth.


" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
No, you're not wrong, generally, not wrong at all. People do hide behind political correctness, and religious correctness, to mask from others, from themselves, the truth.

Bennett is known for criticising people so thoroughly their point of view is silenced. I've seen him and bleeding heart Hannity wringing their hands, bleating and berating too many into silence, and smirking their pompous, elitist smiles.

What goes around comes around. That's the truth.
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John - Gainesville, FL
juvenile justice stats

About half way down this page the crime by race and type of crimes are summarizedand appear below:
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Race studies

Statistically, race plays a role in the types of crime in which youth become involved. The OJJDP, in its reporting, chronicles how many arrests are made in each of four racial categories – white (includes Hispanic youth), black, American Indian, and Asian. The study charts arrest rates among different racial groups for specified crimes. It also compares arrest rates with population rates, and follows arrest rates over time. The December 2001 bulletin of the Juvenile Offenders and Victims National Report Series published the following statistics on crime in 1999:

    * White youth were arrested for 72% of the crime and made up 79% of the youth population.
    * Black youth were arrested for 25% of the crime and made up 16% of the youth population.
    * American Indian youth composed 1% of the juvenile population and were arrested for 1% of the crime.
    * Youth of Asian descent composed 4% of the juvenile population and were arrested for 2% of the crime.

Differences in juvenile arrest rates, 1999:

    * White youth were arrested in 92% of DUI cases, but only 16% of gambling cases. They were arrested for 57% of all juvenile violent crimes and 68% of all juvenile weapons violations.
    * Black youth were arrested in 81% of gambling cases, but only 5% of DUI cases. They were arrested for 41% of all juvenile violent crimes and 30% of all juvenile weapons violations.
    * American Indian youth were arrested in 3% of liquor law violation cases, but were not represented in embezzlement, gambling, or suspicion cases. They were arrested for 1% of all juvenile violent crimes and 1% of all juvenile weapons violations.
    * Asian American youth were arrested in 4% of runaway cases, but only 1% of drug abuse cases. They were arrested for 2% of all juvenile violent crimes and 2% of all juvenile weapons violations.

Age studies
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Maybe the question, then, is why don't whites stand up as well--and if you read the report closely, I should say white men. :blush:

Thanks, John, thanks a lot! ;)
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John - Gainesville, FL
Not done yet Chris: here is a report on criminal statistix from the FBI:
FBI CRIMINAL STATS

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Supplemental homicide data revealed that 90.3 percent of murder offenders were male, and 91.7 percent were over the age of 18. Of the incidents in which the race of the offender was known, 50.3 percent of the offenders were black, 47.2 percent were white, and 2.5 percent were of other races.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Please, John, summarize, I'm trying to build a compost box...
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John - Gainesville, FL
About 75% of the population is white and about 13% of the population is black. Half of all murders are commited by blacks. Slightly different for youth but basically the same problem.
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Kate and Ed
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What an incredibly stupid thing for Bennett to say.

I know you folks like to :yammer: details around in here but all I can say is what an incredibly stupid thing to say and he thought about it before saying it too :fryingpan:

Kate :yammer:
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The last time I checked Blacks made up about 12 - 15% of the California general population but over 30% of the prison population. The good news is that blacks are moving up economically and this will likely lower the % of blacks who commit crimes.

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roscoe
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Or pay for better lawyers like the white folks get.
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Bennett is or at least was, a smarter guy than this, I think you can chalk him up in the same class as Lush, hubris has replaced common sense.
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feddoc
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More of an explanation here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170880,00.html


BENNETT: Sure. Well, the context was a radio show that I was doing yesterday, and the topic was abortion and we were talking about bad arguments in regard to abortion. A caller suggested he was opposed to abortion because he said if there were more babies there would be, eventually, more tax payers and a larger GNP, a smaller deficit. I said you want to be careful with that kind of argument because someone could postulate a situation where child's not likely to be a productive taxpayer. I said, arguments in which you take something that's far out, like the GNP and try to connect it up with abortion are tricky. I said make the case of abortion on the basis of life and protecting life. I said abortion is invoked in another way — you could make an argument that if you wanted to lower the crime rate, you saw the quote — you could practice abortion in very large numbers. You could do it in the black community. You could do it in other places. This is, by the way, the subject of a book for economics by a professor at Yale.

I said, however, if you were to practice that, widespread abortion in the black community or any other community, it would be ridiculous, impossible, and I appreciate you putting it on the screen, morally reprehensible. So I think morally reprehensible, when that is included in the quote makes it perfectly clear what my position is. A number of the people whom you have cited as condemning me have not made the inclusion of that remark, and so they make it seem, Alan, as if I am supporting such a monstrous idea, which of course I don't.



Kate and Ed,

I would be interested in which part of this you consider to be stupid.



I think it important the context in which he made these remarks.
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Kate and Ed
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Kate and Ed,

I would be interested in which part of this you consider to be stupid.



The fact that he said any of what he said and at the same time kept referring to the subject as "tricky", "use caution" , what if someone could "postulate a situation" blah,blah. What did he think HE was doing. He kept digging himself deeper and deeper IMO. Common sense.

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Bennett is or at least was, a smarter guy than this


I thought he was smarter too.

Kate
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Kate and Ed
Oct 2 2005, 02:46 AM
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Kate and Ed,

I would be interested in which part of this you consider to be stupid.



The fact that he said any of what he said and at the same time kept referring to the subject as "tricky", "use caution" , what if someone could "postulate a situation" blah,blah. What did he think HE was doing. He kept digging himself deeper and deeper IMO. Common sense.

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Bennett is or at least was, a smarter guy than this


I thought he was smarter too.

Kate

It will be interesting to see if you hold those same values to those with which you agree with politically.

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Chris - San Antonio TX
feddoc's quote of bennet:
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BENNETT: Sure. Well, the context was a radio show that I was doing yesterday, and the topic was abortion and we were talking about bad arguments in regard to abortion. A caller suggested he was opposed to abortion because he said if there were more babies there would be, eventually, more tax payers and a larger GNP, a smaller deficit. I said you want to be careful with that kind of argument because someone could postulate a situation where child's not likely to be a productive taxpayer. I said, arguments in which you take something that's far out, like the GNP and try to connect it up with abortion are tricky. I said make the case of abortion on the basis of life and protecting life. I said abortion is invoked in another way — you could make an argument that if you wanted to lower the crime rate, you saw the quote — you could practice abortion in very large numbers. You could do it in the black community. You could do it in other places. This is, by the way, the subject of a book for economics by a professor at Yale.

I said, however, if you were to practice that, widespread abortion in the black community or any other community, it would be ridiculous, impossible, and I appreciate you putting it on the screen, morally reprehensible. So I think morally reprehensible, when that is included in the quote makes it perfectly clear what my position is. A number of the people whom you have cited as condemning me have not made the inclusion of that remark, and so they make it seem, Alan, as if I am supporting such a monstrous idea, which of course I don't.


We have a transcript of what was actually said. What he says now paints an entirely different picture.

It took Robertson a couple spins to get it right about his call for assassination. It took Clinton several more.

I find it amazing how people rationalize what they say and do to the point it has nothing to do with what they said or did. We all do this too some extent.
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