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| Edict From The Pope; No gays allowed in Cath. Seminary | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 27 2005, 09:18 PM (1,915 Views) | |
| PRT | Sep 29 2005, 08:27 AM Post #31 |
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Jelly, I was countering your "rumor" with my "fact." They are apples and oranges, however. Mike, Thanks for your comments. It's water off my back...can't be bothered with folks like that. I was trying to make a point, and apparently didn't do it too well
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| campingken | Sep 29 2005, 11:42 AM Post #32 |
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I spent a lot of years investigating sex crimes and as a personal observation I did NOT see any connection between child molestors and homosexuality. The IRONY is we teach kids that "strangers mean danger" etc when it is really "Uncle Elmo" or their little league coach who will victimize them. Predators go where they can find their prey. As far as men living together and being tempted if they are gay that may be true in a seminary but most priests I have known have contact with both sexes. Either you follow your vows or you don't. This applies to heterosexuals and homosexuals. Sometimes I think that the Catholic Church is doing evcerything it can to drive away Catholics from the church..... Ken Sequim Wa. |
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| PRT | Sep 29 2005, 12:09 PM Post #33 |
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Ken, I agree with your entire post but must comment on the quoted portion. There I totally agree. What difference does anyone's sexual orientation make in the big picture? That's between them and God. If my plumber can fix the leak or my surgeon can repair the organ, do I care what they do off the job? I am a Catholic and it does seem that the Church is bound and determined to cut off its nose to spite its face. Makes very little sense. |
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| 5thwheeler | Sep 29 2005, 12:44 PM Post #34 |
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Now if I could only find a plumber to fix my organ, I wouldn't have to pay outragous fees to a surgeon. Sorry but I couldn't help myself. Interesting, people want government intervention out of their lives, but insist on it in their bedrooms. Oops, I meant they want government intervention in other peoples bedrooms. |
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| PRT | Sep 29 2005, 01:06 PM Post #35 |
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Why, oh why, didn't I say gall bladder????
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| 5thwheeler | Sep 29 2005, 01:14 PM Post #36 |
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Hey, I could use the help of a straight person from time to time. When I say straight person, I mean a comedy straight person, not ones sexual inclination.
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| Jelly Bean | Sep 29 2005, 04:10 PM Post #37 |
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Nothing wrong with me acknowledging both Mike "&" the Writers of the articles. As people differ, reactions and attitudes to the statistics will differ. The church is finally doing something about it: the "facts" of the statistics, and that is a good thing, (to me). The point of the article is just that...stating the statistics, the experiences, and the conclusions drawn. It's unfortunate you choose to label a writer a homophobe, because they just think differently. Can we stay away from the labels? |
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| Jelly Bean | Sep 29 2005, 04:15 PM Post #38 |
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roscoe here is the info you seek on the first article from the "eccentric" as chris called him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Lindsay Jeff Lindsay is a chemical engineer in Appleton, Wisconsin. He is a well-known amateur Latter-day Saint apologist. Dr. Lindsay's award-winning website started out as a soapbox, but rapidly earned him wide renown among the multiple communities he defends in his regular essays and blog entries. Life Jeff Lindsay received his B.Sc. from Brigham Young University in 1983 and his Ph.D. in chemical engineering in 1986, also from BYU. After earning his doctorate, Lindsay became an instructor at The Institute of Paper Science and Technology. He was certified by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in August 1997 as a patent agent. Dr. Lindsay currently resides in Appleton, Wisconsin, with his wife, Kendra Larson Lindsay, and his sons. Both Dr. and Mrs. Lindsay participate actively in the LDS Church. Work Jeff Lindsay's website, is home to his many articles. Lindsay tackles everything from simple magic tricks to block scheduling and has won multiple awards for his extensively researched, sometimes humorous papers, including USA Today Hot Site and StudyWeb Academic Excellence Award. |
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| Jelly Bean | Sep 29 2005, 04:21 PM Post #39 |
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Also here is the link to his site: http://www.jefflindsay.com/index.html sure doesn't read like porn to me roscoe, ...is there something I am missing? |
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| Jelly Bean | Sep 29 2005, 04:27 PM Post #40 |
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With that said, the second article is from the Washington Post, and quotes priests themselves up close to the matter at hand. One is even writing a new book about it all. I'm sure with more googling, there would be more info and conclusions drawn from the similar statistics. The info is there, it has been there, and as I said talked about for years, amoungst CATHOLICS. Catholic preacher friends themselves told me years ago. I'm not catholic, so had to take it as rumor, however now with the studies coming gout, I believe what they said was TRUE. |
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| Jelly Bean | Sep 29 2005, 04:33 PM Post #41 |
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No problem PRT, although I think my belief in the Rumor now has flipped over to seeing now statistics that support the testimonies of the priests on the scenes. Glad to see, that at least since they are recognizing a problem they are willing to try and fix it. Hey we ALL need help! |
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| PRT | Sep 29 2005, 04:42 PM Post #42 |
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I strongly doubt that anyone would dispute the existence of homosexual priests (rabbis, ministers, bricklayers, dentists, teachers, lawyers, plumbers, carpenters, etc...) This particular proposed edict by the Catholic church apparently pleases some people and displeases others. The Church/Pope will do what it wants to do anyway, so it's kind of moot. My opinion is that the Church's reaction is unfortunate, but the Church has not asked my opinion. I doubt if the Holy Father plans to People have different opinions, which is what makes life so interesting. |
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| cmoehle | Sep 29 2005, 04:44 PM Post #43 |
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Jelly, I can understand praising Mike for his honest description of Church thinking. But why praise someone who distorts the facts and ignores the conclusions of the studies he bases his opinion on? Why do you praise someone like that? "It's unfortunate you choose to label a writer a homophobe, because they just think differently. Can we stay away from the labels?" Are you attempting to do my thinking for me, Jelly? The author provides not fact but the personal opinion of one, opinion based on what, his personal fears, nothing more. "As people differ, reactions and attitudes to the statistics will differ." Such words express moral relativism, an almost devil-may-care attitude, Jelly. |
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| Jelly Bean | Sep 29 2005, 04:45 PM Post #44 |
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On this I would agree!
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| cmoehle | Sep 29 2005, 04:50 PM Post #45 |
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Jelly "roscoe here is the info you seek on the first article from the "eccentric" as chris called him" Recall that I pointed out how he had distorted the facts and ignored the conclusions of the studies he based his opinion on. From that I concluded he was an eccentric. I wonder why you are disputing everything else I said but that?? |
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