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| Edict From The Pope; No gays allowed in Cath. Seminary | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 27 2005, 09:18 PM (1,907 Views) | |
| tomdrobin | Sep 27 2005, 09:18 PM Post #1 |
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I don't know if edict is the correct word, but I heard on the news today that gay men will not be allowed to participate in training for the Priesthood. Not sure how they will enforce that though. It would seem they might be running a little short of applicants for the position, unless they drop the celebacy requirement. |
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| TexasShadow | Sep 27 2005, 10:45 PM Post #2 |
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I don't know how they will enforce it either. I guess they will ask each seminarian if he is gay. If he lies about it, and they find out later, his priesthood will be invalid maybe.. something like a marriage can be annulled if one of the parties lies about an impediment before he/she enters into the contract. It will be interesting to watch. |
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| Jelly Bean | Sep 27 2005, 10:46 PM Post #3 |
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about time! |
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| Fr. Mike | Sep 27 2005, 10:57 PM Post #4 |
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This has been in the works for awhile. |
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| roscoe | Sep 27 2005, 11:31 PM Post #5 |
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Will this mean all those that are religious leaders or preachers, ministers etc. will have to sign an oath they are not homosexuals. What about women of the cloth are they allowed to be lesbians or do they also have to confess. This may trickle down to boy scout leaders and possibly teachers. Perhaps the closet is fuller than we may think.
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| passinthru | Sep 27 2005, 11:42 PM Post #6 |
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If they take a vow of chastity how can they be categorized as either hetero or homosexual? |
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| cmoehle | Sep 28 2005, 04:34 AM Post #7 |
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Especially as some insist they hate the sin not the sinner. What I see is a church failing to accept responsibility and instead sweeping it under the run of a common scapegoat. |
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| passinthru | Sep 28 2005, 06:05 AM Post #8 |
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Or insist that they are gay by choice, and a little counseling and turning toward God will "fix" the "problem." |
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| Colo_Crawdad | Sep 28 2005, 06:36 AM Post #9 |
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That was my question too. Just as importantly, given that vow, how can sexual orientation possibly be important? I hope that some practicing Catholic can explain it. On the other hand, Jelly seemed to support the action by her comment of "about time." Hopefully she can explain those two questions. |
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| jackd | Sep 28 2005, 07:55 AM Post #10 |
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IMO, this is an other demonstration that the Pope, the church and the catholic dogmatics rulers are totally out of touch with reality and are still in the dark ages. |
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| TexasShadow | Sep 28 2005, 08:04 AM Post #11 |
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re celibacy and sexual orientation..... that's how it has been all these years....chastity being the rule, not the sexual orientation... But this ruling will cover the LIE that precedes ordination...thus nullifying the sacrament (of ordination). see, a priest, once ordained, is a priest forever, no matter what he does.....UNLESS, perhaps, he LIES before being ordained. Celibacy, on the other hand, is only promised from ordination forward. The church will not ask about chastity action before ordination, but require it AFTER. I'm only guessing about all this, but this is the way the church thinks. |
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| jackd | Sep 28 2005, 08:11 AM Post #12 |
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| PRT | Sep 28 2005, 08:15 AM Post #13 |
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As I understand it, this edict will be directed at seminarians, not sitting priests. No homosexual will be admitted to the seminary and I think that if they are there in training, they will be expelled. The Vatican is canvassing US seminaries now. This Reuters article explains it fairly clearly. Doesn't seem to me that celibacy has been closely followed by priests in many instances, but I don't think it's as widespread as people indicate. I have known a lot of very good priests and a handful of iffy ones. I'm still working this one out in my head. |
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| 5thwheeler | Sep 28 2005, 09:22 AM Post #14 |
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Excellent question! Do they ask prospective applicants if they are, or ever were Pedophiles? |
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| cmoehle | Sep 28 2005, 10:42 AM Post #15 |
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Fortunately, as I understand it, Catholics are not required to comply. For example, the Church has taken a stand against capital punishment but Scalia can still support it (unlike Roberts who sets aside personal belief in judicial matters). Jane "But this ruling will cover the LIE that precedes ordination" What LIE is this? |
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