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| abradf2519 | Feb 18 2005, 12:10 PM Post #31 |
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Chris, you said:
Democracy means "people rule". The people do indeed rule here in the US. Our form of democracy is a Republic. Your list contains conficts that would not be considered wars by anyone. (I did use the term "war") |
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| cmoehle | Feb 18 2005, 12:17 PM Post #32 |
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Democracy include socialism where indeed the majority rules. Here, people rule within constitutional limits and protections, by definition a republic. War as you define for the convience of your argument? Then those between tribes must be considered conflicts and not wars. Wars as you define are only between nations. |
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| abradf2519 | Feb 18 2005, 12:23 PM Post #33 |
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Chris: You said: "War as you define for the convience of your argument? Then those between tribes must be considered conflicts and not wars. Wars as you define are only between nations. " I knew you would say that! I should have answered it in my previous post! Battles between tribes is called "Tribal warfare" because it affects the whole comunity. National warfare also affects the entire country. Conficts only affect a few people in a tribe or in a nation. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 18 2005, 12:30 PM Post #34 |
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Dictionary.com: "A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties." Meaning cannot be individual, there'd be no communication. Let's agree on your new definition: "Conficts only affect a few people...." How many of the wars I listed affected only a few? Any? Police making a drug bust might fit conflict. |
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| MrsS | Feb 18 2005, 12:39 PM Post #35 |
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Patriotism has a wide spectrum...and if you feed it well enough, sooner or later you get the impression that your country is more valuable than other countries are. What are we in first place? Part of one species called human beeings or citizens of a particular country? |
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| abradf2519 | Feb 18 2005, 12:45 PM Post #36 |
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I believe you are talking about "jingoism" (extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy - http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary) Patriotism (love for or devotion to one's country) is not going to cause a war, but will inspire support for a war of protection. I believe America's "war on terror" is a war of protection. There is nothing wrong with Patriotism, but Jingosim should be avoided. |
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| MrsS | Feb 18 2005, 12:47 PM Post #37 |
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Can we always draw the line? |
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| abradf2519 | Feb 18 2005, 12:50 PM Post #38 |
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Maybe the line between confict and war is grey, meaning the line can be drawn where the speaker wants, making the line where it is most convienent to his argument. Your line or my line, you still have to admit that warfare affects the common person much more in a tribal situation. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 18 2005, 01:08 PM Post #39 |
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Don't think so. War today between nations affect so many more people. Listen, I think your basic argument is correct, that man has always been a warring animal. All animals fight over territory. Just don't buy the conclusion that things have changed that much and are getting better instead of worse. |
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| MrsS | Feb 18 2005, 01:26 PM Post #40 |
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Europe has a long, long history of warfare. Wars were fought for any reason you can think of, among it was patriotism and racism...even God was often involved... and in the outcome there always the loss of many lives was to deplore. Of course the attackers wrapped their intentions into high and just moral standards... and the common people joyfully followed. That method still seems to work... BTW, this history may help you to understand Europe`s dislike of wars.
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| cmoehle | Feb 18 2005, 01:42 PM Post #41 |
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Jingoism, Nationalism, Populism "Jingoism is a more pejorative term for a nationalism that emphasizes the superiority of one nation over another." "Some varieties of populism may incorporate nationalism, jingoisms, and occasionally racism, while other varieties of populism do not." (From Wikipedia.) |
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| MrsS | Feb 18 2005, 01:46 PM Post #42 |
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Do we need these -isms? |
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| cmoehle | Feb 18 2005, 01:51 PM Post #43 |
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If all we're doing is lumping, they're quite useless; but if defined, they are useful labels for what we mean. |
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| MrsS | Feb 18 2005, 01:56 PM Post #44 |
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