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Kevin Hill; isn't he great
Topic Started: Feb 17 2005, 12:02 AM (274 Views)
kajtek1
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Kris, CA
Don't watch TV very often, but am always making the exception for Kevin Hill serial.
Tonight the movie was about recruiting young people for the war in Iraq.
Would think, that in a such sensitive subject, where even smart Moore didn't quite succeeds, nobody is going to touch this.
Well.. I was impressed.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Sorry, don't watch much TV but caught Hannity and Colmes (Beavis and Butthead) last night and they had a couple college kids on who'd protested recruiters coming on campus. Sensitive? Made it seem like a hotbutton issue and they were evil incarnate, but that's what that boor and that whimp usually do.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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kajtek1
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After so many bashings on old ATC and other forum, where someone only tired to mention, that sending 18 years + 1 day recruits to Iraq is not wise move, I am glad to see, that they are smart people still having guts to present the subject.
Look for the rerun Chris, I like them all, but this one was exceptional.
Episode title "Occupational Hazard "
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Thanks for episode title. What I see is "Kevin represents the parents of a soldier killed in Iraq who are suing the school where he was recruited."

While I could certainly sympathize with such parents, why sue the school?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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Jim Miller
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It could be because they can't face their own responsibility. Maybe they feel as though the school district is an easy touch. I doubt that their son was forced to enlist. Was he under 18 when he enlisted and isn't 18 considered adulthood legally?
Jim

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Florida in the Winter
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Banandangees
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In the 1950s, during the Korean War, would the parents have sued the draft board for taking their 18-19 year old, or the recruiter at the Post Office building for doing what a recruiter does? Do they sue the university because a GM representative came to campus on "career day" to recruit engineers and a son or daughter was killed in an industrial accident in the GM plant?

Of course everyone sympathises with the loved ones of the lost soilder or lost loved one. When/where does individual responsibility begin?
Banan
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
You can sue GM, can you sue the government?

I sympathize with the parent's frustration, but agree why sue the school?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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MrsS
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I can only guess what you`re talking about...but suing the school is certainly
wrong. Nobody should be sued at all...assumed the young man signed in
voluntarily.

With all due respect...that US-American fever of suing each and everything
is a rather bad habit and should - IMO - strictly be limited.


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kajtek1
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OK. I'll ruin the impression for those, that might see the episode in the future.
Why sue the school?
Parents felt betrayed, when the only son, that was making future plans to go to college, the day after he turned 18 was cornered on the school premises and strongly suggested to sign enlisting to go to Iraq and eventualy never return.
It was the lawyer's idea, that the Army did what it suppose to do, but school failed to show their pupils the options in their life and allowed unethical practice on the school territory :mad:
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Again, I understand the parent's frustration, even grief--in this hypothetical situation--but is it their repsonsibility to teach their children the various options in life?
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abradf2519
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kajtek1
Feb 17 2005, 06:27 PM
OK. I'll ruin the impression for those, that might see the episode in the future.
Why sue the school?
Parents felt betrayed, when the only son, that was making future plans to go to college, the day after he turned 18 was cornered on the school premises and strongly suggested to sign enlisting to go to Iraq and eventualy never return.
It was the lawyer's idea, that the Army did what it suppose to do, but school failed to show their pupils the options in their life and allowed unethical practice on the school territory :mad:

Hear those violins playing that sad sad song again? The evil government tricked the 18 year old into going into the Army where he got killed. Of course the boy (man?) didn't think he would get killed did he? The government tricked him! The boy (man?) was supposed to go to a liberal arts college like the parents wanted, and become a good little pot smoking liberal! But the evil government tricked him and the evil school helped, and now the boy is dead.

What a load of BS.
Alan
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
And that, Alan, is a very unChristian and government-loving liberal attitude.
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abradf2519
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cmoehle
Feb 18 2005, 11:44 AM
And that, Alan, is a very unChristian and government-loving liberal attitude.

No...It is a very sarcastic responce to the "Its everybody's fault exept mine" addiude pervasive in the liberal (my definition!) media.

If you join the Army, you should realize that you have a much greater than normal chance of getting killed.

Yes, I did encourage my son to join (he's 19), but he didn't want to. After all, it is his choice with an all volunteer Army!
Alan
Milan, New York, USA
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
I realize this is a hypothetic case, but were it real, your politicizing sarcasm just disrespected a soldier who died for his country and his grieving parents.
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abradf2519
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cmoehle
Feb 18 2005, 12:10 PM
I realize this is a hypothetic case, but were it real, your politicizing sarcasm just disrespected a soldier who died for his country and his grieving parents.

The whole thing is politics! Yes it is a "story", but it also leftist propaganga. I did not introduce politics. The leftist that wrote the piece is using the parents grief to make his or her political point.

It is OK to be sarcastic about fictional people, because I am not hurting the feelings of any real people.

A real set of grieving parents feelings about loosing their son is much more complicated than this stupid story.

The story was "designed" to make the political point.
Alan
Milan, New York, USA
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