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| Alan Keyes: Shameful Or Principled? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 16 2005, 04:59 PM (185 Views) | |
| cmoehle | Feb 16 2005, 04:59 PM Post #1 |
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Alan Keyes: Shameful or principled?
I was asked this morning what a social conservative is: Alan Keyes, good example. A traditional, fiscal conservative: Goldwater to Cheney, men I respect. "The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it." Earlier, Illinois Republican Senate candidate Alan Keyes said that, as a lesbian, Mary Cheney is a "selfish hedonist." |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| wolfe59 | Feb 16 2005, 05:04 PM Post #2 |
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That's a shame. I am conservative and against gay marriage but would never turn my back on my children. You might not like what they do but you need to give them your support and love. While not supporting gay marriage, I have no problem with someone being gay. As long as they don't make it my business but that goes with everything. As long as you don't make it my business, have at it. |
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| mychrissy | Feb 16 2005, 05:14 PM Post #3 |
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Very disappointed with Alan Keyes statement. I would never turn my back on either one of my children no matter who they are or what they have done. I have two close friends whose children are gay and I know each one of these children since they have been born. They have grown into beautiful, productive adults. My friends had a difficult time when they found out about their children being gay but treat them with respect and love. |
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| Banandangees | Feb 16 2005, 05:29 PM Post #4 |
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I am more of the thinking of Vice President Cheney and his wife. They quietly stand behind their daughter (as much as the media allows them to). I am not in favor of gay marriage; but, I would never stop loving my daughter or son, stop showing my love for them or turn them away if it turned out that they were of that persuasion. Your love for your children (or parents) should be till the end of time. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 16 2005, 05:32 PM Post #5 |
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Agreed, the media should leave those like the Cheneys alone, as should other pols like Kerry who try to my political hay with it. |
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| DanHouck | Feb 16 2005, 05:57 PM Post #6 |
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Shameful for making comments about Mary Cheney. Keyes needs to MYOB! I wish everyone would just SHUT THE HELL UP about their sexual preferences. What ever happened to PRIVACY? Dan |
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| TexasShadow | Feb 16 2005, 07:16 PM Post #7 |
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I think each of us have our own "lines drawn in the sand" point, so we each have make our own decisions about these things. For Keyes, it appears that homosexuality...living the lifestyle....is no less wrong and unacceptable than lying, stealing and killing. If my child was a dope pusher, working for the miami mob, or any habitual criminal, I'd have to "divorce" him from my life. To some, living a homosexual life is as wrong as that. I don't know what I would do if one of my sons was homosexual. I don't think I could cut him out of my life, but I don't think I could accept it, either, so it would be a very tense relationship. But what some other parent does is their business. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 16 2005, 07:42 PM Post #8 |
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As a parent, it is his business, as a pandering national politician, it is everyone's. |
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| TexasShadow | Feb 16 2005, 08:00 PM Post #9 |
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As a parent, it is his business, as a pandering national politician, it is everyone's. agreed. |
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| tomdrobin | Feb 16 2005, 10:04 PM Post #10 |
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It is important on matters like this, that the distinction be made between moral principles, which are usually of Judo-Christian origination in this country. And, secular beliefs on how government should view the situation. It is not inconsistent to say, that homosexual behavior is morally wrong, but say the government should provide equal rights for those individuals. I don't have a gay or lesbian child, or grandchild yet to my knowledge. Were it too occur, I would still love them and have a relationship with them. But, would council them on my personal moral beliefs on the issue, and let it go at that. |
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| BuddyIAm | Feb 16 2005, 10:10 PM Post #11 |
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Those children should never have made their sexuality a public issue. By outing themselves. It’s a personal issue.. The gay/marriage issue should never have been made an object of a movement, toward a constitutional amendment.. Marriage is a State issue. Alan Keyes: Shameful.. |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| cmoehle | Feb 17 2005, 05:32 AM Post #12 |
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I read somewhere, forget where, that if there's such a strong need for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage then it ought to be a prohibition not against marriage but against divorce. |
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| abradf2519 | Feb 17 2005, 08:21 AM Post #13 |
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I believe Keyes stance about his daughter is to accept her, but not to accept her lifestyle. I don't think that he is cutting her out of his life. Cheney is different because he accepts his daugher's life style. I have to admit that I would also accept my children but not their life style if they revealed to me that they were gay. I would also not accept the "living together" life style. I think they should get married and be monogomous. This does not mean that I don't love them, and it does not mean that I don't want to meet their lover (gay or straight), or come and visit me accompanied by their lover. It just means I won't say that they are doing the right thing, and I won't let them sleep in the same room if they spend the night. My kids know this and accept it. I wonder how much pressure or what kind of pressure was brought to bear on Keyes daughter to make her publicly go against her own father? People should also realize that the gay agenda is very unpopular in the Black community. This could also be motivating Keyes stance. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 17 2005, 12:31 PM Post #14 |
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Another example of "family values"? Rush Limbaugh Divorce Finalized Soc cons certainly got a lock on family values, yeah, right...I mean, left. |
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| MrsS | Feb 17 2005, 01:56 PM Post #15 |
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Texas, I don`t know you in person, so I`m only supposing...but I`m rather sure you would not only go on loving him, but you`d even accept his lifestyle. After all, he`s your son...he`s the baby you gave birth to...you`ve wiped his nose and sang him to sleep...all your emotions are with him. Like you said: you wouldn`t stop loving him...of course not. But this love implies to love him the way he is. You can`t cut your love in pieces...
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