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What's The Deal Here?
Topic Started: Feb 15 2005, 01:01 PM (333 Views)
pentax
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Bush obstructing POW award

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The latest chapter in the legal history of torture is being written by American pilots who were beaten and abused by Iraqis during the 1991 Persian Gulf War. And it has taken a strange twist.

The Bush administration is fighting the former prisoners of war in court, trying to prevent them from collecting nearly $1 billion from Iraq that a federal judge awarded them as compensation for their torture at the hands of Saddam Hussein's regime.
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MrsS
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Maybe they are afraid it could work both ways...


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wolfe59
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I don't think Saddam had any money with him when they found him in that spider hole.
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jackd
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Yes wolfe, he had a bit of pocket change on him when he was arrested.
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U.S. forces found weapons and about $750,000 in U.S. $100 bills with the former dictator,

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Colo_Crawdad
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Surely this is not the same George W. Bush that veterans groups supported in the last election, or is it?
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bikemanb
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Never let anything like consistency get in the way of your foreign policy. :)
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DanHouck
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Land of Enchantment NM
Letsee, a couple of guys were "beaten and abused" by Saddam's thugs so now they have the right to a billion dollars of money that Saddam stole from the Iraqi people.

Or maybe this is just another case of legal highway robbery. How much do you guys think the lawyers will walk away with? Of course I know they'll give some of it to the DNC which will gladden your liberal hearts. :)

Is getting "beaten and abused" worth a billion bucks? If so, I volunteer for the next round. Thank you for considering my application.



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bikemanb
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Dan,

I know I am a cynical guy, but do you suppose your position would be the same if a Clinton or Kerry were making the same decisions?
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DanHouck
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Yes. The money belongs to the Iraqi people and a billion dollars for being kicked around is just another example of how out of control our legal system is. But since Clinton, Kerry and the Democrats feed off the lawyers I wouldn't expect them to side with the Iraqis. That would be biting the hand that feeds the Democrats.

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tomdrobin
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Colo_Crawdad
Feb 16 2005, 01:10 AM
Surely this is not the same George W. Bush that veterans groups supported in the last election, or is it?

Yes, for lack of a better alternative.

The beatings and torture occurred under the Saddam Hussien Regime, which is no longer in power. If there is a claim, it should be against him or the bathist personally. The current governement in Iraq, had no hand in the beatings and torture.
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jrf
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I remember the pilots winning the law suit in court. They were to be awarded X amount. The funds were in US Banks. The gov't had frozen all the funds based on war on terror or something and would not release funds to the pilots.

The way I see it is either one of two ways.
The old Iraq is gone and the new Iraq has no debt or the new Iraq is still responsible for all of its debt except that forgiven.

The court awarded the money. This country has control over that money. We can confiscate it to pay their debt to us if we desire. The gov't can't wipe away Iraq's debt to anyone but our own gov't.

Admin needs to follow orders of the court. They are not above the law.

This has been going on a long time.

I do imagine there are a lot of lawsuits that end in an award that never gets paid.

I don't understand the law enough to know what happens when someone wins a lawsuit. I don't think the court is a collection agent.
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bikemanb
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My guess is regardless of the right and wrong or the legal issues involved if a Liberal Democratic Administration had made the same decision the Right would be screaming for their scalp. I wish I were wrong, but I doubt that I am.
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cmoehle
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Bill, because, as is decidedly known, the relationship between principles and parties is tenuous at best and being stretched to the breaking point everyday.


On subject, I'd have to agree it's the Iraqi's money and they need it. On the other hand they are our veterens and we own them.
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pentax
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legal highway robbery.


I, for one, sure hope thats a reference to the legal team involved - and not the members of the Military that were abused.....

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DanHouck
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Let us hope that calmer heads prevail and a settlement that is more in line with the actual damage is negotiated. The pilots have a case but so do the Iraqi people. What the pilots got from Saddam was pretty mild compared to what he did to the Iraqi people and that needs to be taken into account IMO.

Dan
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