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| cmoehle | Feb 15 2005, 08:36 PM Post #241 |
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So the arbitrator is "offensive to most Americans"? Then we're back to obnoxious, so let me quote Madison's warning from Federalist 10 again: From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert results from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. --James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 10 Fire him for fraud, for plagiarism, for poor teaching, but not for being offensive and obnoxious. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| Colo_Crawdad | Feb 15 2005, 08:50 PM Post #242 |
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Tom, At the expense of intentionally sounding very sarcastic, I note how flexible and open minded you appear to be about this issue. I only wish that I could say that sincerely rather than sarcastically. What you suggest for me is so very opposite of your own behavior on this forum that such advice must be rejected as hypocritical. It is regrettable that you appear unable to look honestly at yourself in the mirror. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 15 2005, 09:23 PM Post #243 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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"When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff." - Cicero |
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| tomdrobin | Feb 15 2005, 09:25 PM Post #244 |
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Ok Lowell Since we've been posting on this and other forums, how many times have you changed your mind on a particular issue? Not once, in my experience. I have on many occasions. Hypocritical? After listening, and considering all the fact presented, I've came around to realizing we need health care reform in the US. Previously I have been opposed to any form of socialized medicine. I don't agree with Presidents Social Security Policy. I disagree with his policy on immigration and guest workers. I think terible mistakes were made in Iraq policy, although I do realize what they were trying to accomplish. I think legislation should be inacted, so that homosexual couples have the same secular rights as hetrosexual couples (ie; joint tax returns, survivor rights, etc.) I think abortion should be allowed under some circumstances. Also support stem cell research. I could go on and on. But, the point is I'm not the set in stone conservative you seem to think I am. But, I often challenge your views, because you seem so unyielding and inflexible in what I would consider to be your steadfast defense of liberal thinking. I don't think that's hypocritical, as I don't hold to any particular ideological mindset. Just searching for the truth thru discussion. Again, I can not see how you can in any way defend Ward Churchill. |
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| bikemanb | Feb 15 2005, 09:36 PM Post #245 |
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Tom, Welcome to the Radical Centrists club, with another fallen Republican.
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| cmoehle | Feb 15 2005, 09:39 PM Post #246 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Tom, you'll love it when the bleeding heart, whining social cons start calling you a liberal. :laugh: |
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| DanHouck | Feb 15 2005, 10:03 PM Post #247 |
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Bike, you're about as centrist as John Kerry but go ahead and live the dream. I'll give you credit for having the guts to get out of the party that you obviously are far to the left of instead of being a RINO like some other folks around here.
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| cmoehle | Feb 15 2005, 10:11 PM Post #248 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Who died and made you God, Dan, to be judging everyone--very elitist
very unconstrained
very liberal of you."When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff." - Cicero |
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| bikemanb | Feb 15 2005, 10:13 PM Post #249 |
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Well Dan, since the Red Guard has taken over the party such that the cult of personality and strict adherence to every detail of ideology is more important than principle I will take that as a compliment. I would also contend that you know damn little about what I believe; would wager that I have voted for more Republicans than a vast majority of people that now claim to be one. I was Republican when it wasn't fashionable, the actions of the party once they started getting a little power showed me they are as ethically if not morally bankrupt as the Democrats and so I registered as an Independent rather than whore myself out to either. |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| DanHouck | Feb 15 2005, 10:19 PM Post #250 |
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I just call 'em as I read 'em and I really do compliment you on acting on your beliefs. Not being facetious there at all. Chris. . . |
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| tomdrobin | Feb 15 2005, 10:27 PM Post #251 |
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bikeman I don't see the democrats as being morally bankrupt, unless your speaking on a personal level (ie; Monica Lewinski). Just think the left wingers in the party are so caught up in idealism, that they have lost sight of reality. The Rep. IMO are more realistic in ideology, but they are corrupted by the power of big $$$$. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 15 2005, 10:28 PM Post #252 |
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Well, Dan, like I asked, who died and made you God? Stick to arguing opinions. You're good at that. But the baiting layered on top is so old it's cartoonish. "When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff." - Cicero |
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| cmoehle | Feb 15 2005, 10:34 PM Post #253 |
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Not to cut in but had to remark, what you say is true of Democrats and may be true of conservative Republicans, old party Republicans, what I'd guess you are, but the new Republicans, the social conservatives taking it left, are just as much stubborn, dogmatic ideologues. |
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| bikemanb | Feb 15 2005, 10:37 PM Post #254 |
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Bingo! |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| DanHouck | Feb 15 2005, 10:41 PM Post #255 |
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Tom, if you think the Republicans are the party of the rich, you might find this site very interesting: http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/DonorD....asp?cycle=2002 Basically what it shows is that the Dems got far more "fat cat" money than the Reps, the Reps got much of their money from small business people like me. Dan |
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