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What Kind Of People Are Teaching Our Children
Topic Started: Jan 31 2005, 11:11 PM (2,975 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Feb 14 2005, 10:18 PM
cmoehle
Feb 14 2005, 08:08 PM
No, a right wing cartoon would show the left winger all blah blah blah and the right winger not hearing a word.

You missed the point..... ;)

ER...EH... :floorrollin:
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Colo_Crawdad
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Feb 14 2005, 11:15 PM
Jim Miller
Feb 14 2005, 01:34 PM
I agree 100%.  I am constantly amazed at how many education "experts" there are out there that have never been behind a teacher's desk.

Most of my experience is in the automotive field. Lots of people are experts on cars, and don't engineer or build them. Why should I have the audacity to think I know more than the customer who is paying the bills. That reinforces what I said earlier, those experts in the classroom often have the idea, that they have all the answers, and should not have any accountability. That's the very reason, those who pay the bills take them to task on occassion.

I sure hope to goodness that you know more about fixing my car than do I. If I didn't believe that, I would never hire you to fix my car. I also hope to goodness that I know more about teaching public school students than do you. Do I ever pretend to "know everything" or even to have the "ultimate answer?" Absolutely not. To do so would violate the very concept of one being a "lifetime learner." To violate that concept is to violate all that we have been taught and all that we attempt to teach public school students.

On edit, I am fully aware that what I just said would, on another board, be labeled as "liberal gobble-de-gook" and be summarily dismissed.
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DanHouck
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On edit, I am fully aware that what I just said would, on another board, be labeled as "liberal gobble-de-gook" and be summarily dismissed.


Aw you love stirring the pot over there, quit whining! :box:

Besides which what you said makes perfectly good sense. :)

Dan
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Lowell

I don't thinki it is liberal gobble-de-gook at all but probably one of the best and clearest statements of yours I have ever read.

You said it very well...even I could understand it. And most of all I agree with you.
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Jim Miller
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Amen Colo! Amen!

"Yes, some of us are just poor simple peasants, I mean parents concerned about their childrens' education."

You had me in tears with that sharp retort Chris. Good one.

"... parents concerned about their childrens' education."

That is an altogether different subject.
Jim

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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Does that mean we're not going to storm the Bastille and guillotine the prof today?

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Colo_Crawdad
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Lowell
I like that attitude!!!!!
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US." --- Pogo
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DanHouck
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We can do it now, I got my yard projects done today. 60 degree, gorgeous sky, just a wonderful day here in the sunbelt. Let's chop this suckers head off! :)

Dan
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bikemanb
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Still can't figure out how this wacky professor is such a threat to our young people and our continued existence as a free nation.

Somehow during the height of the Cold War when our existence was seriously threatened we still had the courage as a nation to honor our founding principles and allowed a communist party to exist in our midst, and guess what the Washington Monument didn’t fall over nor subversives overrun us, in fact the last I checked we won.

Why can’t all of you wanting to suppress this guy address this for me.
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DanHouck
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I see, another person who can't get the distinction between SUBSIDIZE and SUPPRESS. Once again--not only on this and other boards, but also in general, I don't see a lot of people suggesting this crackpot doesn't have the RIGHT to shoot his mouth off. A lot of people are suggesting the taxpayers don't have the OBLIGATION to pay him to do so or provide him a bully pulpit for that purpose.

Why is this so hard to understand?

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bikemanb
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Dan,

Nice try at misdirect, I don't care if every college professor believes in what I do or not, is college supposed to produce little automatons that all think alike? If so who will be the arbitrator of what is politically correct? If he teaches this stuff in his classes and does not allow students to disagree with him or lowers their grades if they disagree with him, then yes he should lose his tenure.

If he told my boys something like he said in a class they would have told him he was full of it, unfortunately or fortunately I have taught them my abiding disrespect and distrust of those in authority such that they don't even agree with me often, the fools. ;) If people aren't raising their children to be critical thinkers then they probably should not be in this guy’s class, but I understand he teaches elective courses.
Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat

For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise.

Benjamin Franklin
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DanHouck
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No, college is not supposed to produce little automatons but it is doing a good job of that these days since the faculties are overloaded with America hating leftists like Churchill. Do a little research on the numerous surveys of political leanings of college faculties these days.

Colleges built and supported by the taxpayers are also not supposed to be producing people that hate America and want to kill Americans, and they are not supposed to be supporting academic frauds like Churchill who has lied about his background and deliberately mis-stated references to support his warped views.

People don't send their kids to college to be mis-educated by academic charlatans. OK, maybe you liberals do but the rest of us don't. :)

Now if anybody is guilty of misdirect, I would say it is you. Who is contending that Ward Churchill will bring down the nation? Who is wanting to suppress him?

Nope, we just don't want to pay him to tear us down. Why don't you hire him? If you're from Kalifornia he'll fit right it. :)

Dan

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bikemanb
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Dan,

One of the reasons I am no longer a Republican is that anyone who doesn't voice the entire party line is accused of being a Liberal, but it seems that the fall back when all else fails is to scream "Liberal". :P

The Liberals suffer from the same preconception that they are the fount of all wisdom and patriotism also so you are in bad company. ;)
Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat

For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise.

Benjamin Franklin
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
I'd like to see Bill's question answered as well:


"...who will be the arbitrator of what is politically correct?"
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tomdrobin
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Colo_Crawdad
Feb 15 2005, 01:32 PM
I sure hope to goodness that you know more about fixing my car than do I. If I didn't believe that, I would never hire you to fix my car. I also hope to goodness that I know more about teaching public school students than do you. Do I ever pretend to "know everything" or even to have the "ultimate answer?" Absolutely not. To do so would violate the very concept of one being a "lifetime learner." To violate that concept is to violate all that we have been taught and all that we attempt to teach public school students.

On edit, I am fully aware that what I just said would, on another board, be labeled as "liberal gobble-de-gook" and be summarily dismissed.

Lowell
First off, I'm not for hire. Take your car to a repair shop. My point is not that I know more about public education than you. It is that you inflexibly insist that your way is the only way, and are always defensive instead of openly considering other's points of view. Life time learner is exactly what I'm about, and wish you would be too. Best way to become one is to drop that defense shield and seriously consider other's points of view.

At the risk of sounding repititious, Ward Churchill has every right to espouse his beliefs. But, those beliefs are offensive to most Americans. He holds a position in a public institution, not a private organization. And, as such is accountable for his anti american rhetoric.
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