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| What Kind Of People Are Teaching Our Children | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 31 2005, 11:11 PM (2,977 Views) | |
| corky52 | Feb 12 2005, 10:07 PM Post #196 |
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Tom, To dislike what the man has said is your right but to make demands of his employer is another thing. What's next outsiders demanding a say in the hiring and firing of the ministers of churches? The man works at an institution supported by the people of Colorado, not an American public institution, so I guess they get the say, all on their own. |
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| CalRed | Feb 12 2005, 11:12 PM Post #197 |
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Tom you really nailed that one. I hadn't thought of the reason why educators and past educators thought they knew so much but you have explained it very well. They always think they are right and can't be wrong. Thank you for that comment. |
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Something instead of Nothing? "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." Alan Sandage | |
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| Jim Miller | Feb 13 2005, 07:37 AM Post #198 |
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Tom, "Perhaps there should be some requirement for educators to revolve, from acadamia to the private sector periodically. That would give them the perspective they need think more openly." Not a bad idea, however there are a lot of problems that it can cause. Who will replace the teacher that is now in the private sector? How long should the teacher be out of the classroom? Whose job in the private sector should the teacher take? What will the labor unions have to say about a stranger coming in and bumping a union member? Who will pay the teacher when he moves into the private sector for that period of time? Perhaps you were being facetious. I just don't think it would be a workable plan. Years ago, in our district, we had what was called a BIE day. Business/Industry and Education day sent teachers to private industry for a day of observation. Business leaders then came to school for an In-Service day to spend with teachers to tell us what it was that was needed in their businesses. The concept was a good one. But, as with all good ideas, it eventually went by the way-side. It was my observation over my thirty-one years in the classroom that there were many, many people that knew how to do my job better than I did, but few were willing to do it or to offer constructive criticism. I do know one thing for sure though. If I would have done just one of the many things that Professor Churchill is accused of doing, including comparing the 9/11 victims to little Eichmanns, I would have been fired rather quickly. |
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| Colo_Crawdad | Feb 13 2005, 08:00 AM Post #199 |
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I know that this is far from the original topic, but I feel a need to respond the accusation that teachers and ex teacher think they "know all." I would never presume to claim that I know more about your profession or occupation than do you, but man folks, CalRed included, will gladly claim to know more about my profession, educating students, than do I. Folks seem to think that, since they have been a student, they know all there is to know about being an educator. That is analogous to my thinking that since I have had surgery, I know more about doing surgery than does the surgeon. In conclusion to a rather brief response, I find that folks like CalRed and tomrobin much more predisposed to claim that they "know more about my profession" than I. I find very few, if any, teachers who seem predisposed to claim that they know more about others' professions than do the "others." In fact, it appears to me from the brief description that it was specifically that predisposition that caused the reaction to tomrobin from a member of the teaching profession. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2005, 09:33 AM Post #200 |
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Tom "The man wrote a book. And, in that book he said that at least some of the victims of 9-11 deserved it." Agreed. Think everyone agrees on that. And, further, everyone thinks he's wrong. What I don't get is the leap many seem to be making next of castigating him for being wrong and demanding he be fired. That kind of attitude can only come from either a bandwagon effect--"hey I'm afraid to be wrong but this will make me sound right"--or the elitist attitude of someone who can never be wrong. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2005, 09:43 AM Post #201 |
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Let's reverse this thread. Let's see who is applying morals universally or relativistically. Title: "What Kind of People Are Running Our Country" Post: "Bush said Iraq's active WMD programs were a grave threat, and because of it sacrificed the lives of our men and women in combat. This was wrong. And being wrong highly offensive to everyone in this nation and the world. It is in fact treasonous and he should be impeached. This is so obviously true you'd have to be a hateful unAmerican war-mongering idiot to disagree. This forum is so tightly controlled I am afraid I cannot post this." |
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| CalRed | Feb 13 2005, 11:19 AM Post #202 |
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Lowell I guess when I stated some time ago that I was an ex-teacher, you missed it. I taught for more than 20 years and I know where you are coming from. In every class I ever taught I knew more about what I was teaching than the students but I also learned a great deal from the students themselves. With me it was always a two way street. On edit I must say that my teaching was a little different from yours. Most all of my students were graduate students, who came from such institutions as where you probably taught. |
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Something instead of Nothing? "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." Alan Sandage | |
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2005, 11:22 AM Post #203 |
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My thread reversal was inspired by...
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2005, 11:33 AM Post #204 |
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For those who want to silence the professor should we also silence students who express ideas we disagree with and find offensive? A high-school art project on Bush and Hitler
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2005, 11:51 AM Post #205 |
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Seems WorldNetDaily thinks so: Student awarded for Bush-Hitler project: Compares president's policies to Nazi pillage of Europe.
...the story begins, then launches into...
Obviously evil and offensive! It is not about art at all..
No, you see, it is obvious it is one and the same as
It's a damned conspiracy, I tell you. You're either with us or against us!!! :mad1: :mad1: :mad1: |
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| bikemanb | Feb 13 2005, 12:01 PM Post #206 |
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I have yet to see where this guy is a threat to our country or security, once again, how can we as a nation that believed so strongly in our own founding principles that we allowed a Communist Party to exist in our midst during the Cold War and yet won, but somehow believe this looney tune is a threat that must be muzzled, fired, drawn and quartered and so on....... This is nothing more that using this fruitcake as an excuse to try and suppress all dissent. |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2005, 12:21 PM Post #207 |
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Yes, a conspiracy against America! It's spreading everywhere! The Raving, Bush-Bashing, America-Hating, Loser Left
Oh my Oh my
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2005, 01:58 PM Post #208 |
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And for the moral of the story, Bob Dylan sings "Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues" Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue, I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do, Them Communists they wus comin' around, They wus in the air, They wus on the ground. They wouldn't gimme no peace. . . So I run down most hurriedly And joined up with the John Birch Society, I got me a secret membership card And started off a-walkin' down the road. Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now! Look out you Commies! Now we all agree with Hitlers' views, Although he killed six million Jews. It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist, At least you can't say he was a Communist! That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria. Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds. I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed, Looked in the sink, behind the door, Looked in the glove compartment of my car. Couldn't find 'em . . . I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere, I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair. I looked way up my chimney hole, I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl. They got away . . . Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat, Figured they wus in my T.V. set. Peeked behind the picture frame, Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain. Them Reds caused it! I know they did . . . them hard-core ones. Well, I quit my job so I could work alone, Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes. Followed some clues from my detective bag And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag! That ol' Betty Ross . . . Well, I investigated all the books in the library, Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away. I investigated all the people that I knowed, Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go. The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me. Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy, Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy. To my knowledge there's just one man That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell. I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus. Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight When I run outa things to investigate. Couldn't imagine doin' anything else, So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself! Hope I don't find out anything . . . hmm, great God! |
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| CalRed | Feb 13 2005, 02:47 PM Post #209 |
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Corky Actually Churchill made it my business. He included all Americans in his essays and writings so I have as much right to speak out about him as anyone else. I wonder what the Americans fighting for our country right now would have to say about what he called them? |
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| corky52 | Feb 13 2005, 03:19 PM Post #210 |
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Well Cal, I can only speak for two of those fighting and one thats freshly back. They all think Churchill is a crank, but none of them would silence him. Two of the three are teachers and know the value of academic freedom. |
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