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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 31 2005, 11:11 PM (2,980 Views) | |
| cmoehle | Feb 11 2005, 08:30 PM Post #151 |
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Doesn't bother me at all, Jim. I do however think it kind of pointless when all they do is repeat repeat repeat. When their entire argument consists in parsing and quibling like Clinton about the verb to be . And equating Eichmann with all Nazis--overgeneralizing a specific. But then you said, you don't get it. Jim, why when you have such a weak argument do you resort to ad hominem? (I figure because you were a teacher you would knw what that means, actually would figure you wouldn't use such fallacious argument.. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| Jim Miller | Feb 11 2005, 08:31 PM Post #152 |
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Bike, Quite honestly, I don't ever remember me saying he should be fired. If you can point it out to me, I will apologize to you. I do remember saying facetiously that perhaps he should be transferred to the custodial department. Or something like that. Fired, I don't think so. Yet. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 11 2005, 08:34 PM Post #153 |
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Jim says "Again, I guess I have to ask. Does free speech have no limits? If so, help me out here. Does anything go disguised as academic freedom?" Are you Cal, Jim? He does that all the time, acts like he didn't read an answer to his questions. |
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| Jim Miller | Feb 11 2005, 08:35 PM Post #154 |
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Oh come on now Chris. Don't let me get to you. Life is too short. Cheer up. Be happy.
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| cmoehle | Feb 11 2005, 08:36 PM Post #155 |
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Alan "I don't want to argue the estabishment issue here" If you insist on discussing, I also said he violated free exercise--akin to free speech. |
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| sylley2000 | Feb 11 2005, 08:36 PM Post #156 |
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Why do you think you should control what teachers teach in Universities? In what way should teachers be subject to special laws and rules? Wasn't it you who said you had little use for the humanities and art? That they were not useful for getting a job? Sylvia On edit ... would you have philosophers, teach only things that are useful? ... or would you have any philosophers, historians, artist, etc., at all in YOUR concept of higher learning? |
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| cmoehle | Feb 11 2005, 08:40 PM Post #157 |
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The impression Jim is it's getting to you. The teacher who repeats and mocks. Keep in mind when someone says you are attacking he is not shouting ouch you hurt me. He is pointing out how you expose your frustration at not having a leg to stand on and thereby hurt only yourself. Remember, what I said earlier, those who always insult show only that they are an insulting person. |
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| Jim Miller | Feb 11 2005, 08:41 PM Post #158 |
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"Jim says "Again, I guess I have to ask. Does free speech have no limits? If so, help me out here. Does anything go disguised as academic freedom?" Rhetorical question = a question to which no answer is expected. |
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| Jim Miller | Feb 11 2005, 08:44 PM Post #159 |
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"Remember, what I said earlier, those who always insult show only that they are an insulting person. " I have it memorized Chris. Thanks Sometimes our own words can bite us in the arse, eh? |
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| sylley2000 | Feb 11 2005, 08:44 PM Post #160 |
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You can't holler fire in a public, crowded place. Free speech that is proven to have incited a riot is against the law. Sylvia Other than that, Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me! In other words, physical assult is against the law, but words are not. |
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| abradf2519 | Feb 11 2005, 08:46 PM Post #161 |
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Yes! I think professors should do a good job! Have you ever been screwed by a company? Gotten ripped off? Don't you think the person that ripped you off with their incompitence should be fired? Professors should know how to make good analogies! They should know how to use information correctly! They should not twist the truth! Professors should not spew Propaganda! |
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| sylley2000 | Feb 11 2005, 08:49 PM Post #162 |
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He was not spewing propaganda. He was using an anology to illustrate that if the United States has a policy that attracts terrorist activity, that it will reap what it sews. Many of us here understood that ... you apparently do not!!! Sylvia Seems like you saw the word Eichmann and Natzi and just froze??? You didn't' read it in its full context. |
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| abradf2519 | Feb 11 2005, 08:51 PM Post #163 |
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Actually I find myself back pedaling a bit. If Ward Churchill wrote that crap on his own time and did not teach it to his students, then he should not be fired. If he taught "ethnic studies" properly and only spewed this propaganda outside the class room, then he should not be fired. Does anyone know if he taught this crap? Did he write the essay on his own time? |
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| cmoehle | Feb 11 2005, 08:53 PM Post #164 |
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I guess you got it. Enjoy the discussion.
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| abradf2519 | Feb 11 2005, 08:54 PM Post #165 |
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That's like saying that a woman who wears revealing clothing invites date rape. I am sure you don't agree with that! So based on this analogy, I do not understand. |
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