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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 10 2004, 07:43 PM (71 Views) | |
| cmoehle | Nov 10 2004, 07:43 PM Post #1 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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This says what I've been trying to say. No Party Man, Jonah Goldberg. "...I don't take any giant amount of pride in being a Republican. I'm a conservative. "This is a distinction lost on the mainstream media. Most cable-news networks consider conservatives, Republicans, and even more egregiously libertarians utterly interchangeable.... "...Let me put it this way: I want the Democratic party to move to the center on cultural and economic issues. Yes, it would mean that the Democrats would win more elections.... "...If the Democrats won more elections by moving to the middle, it would be bad news for the Republican party, to be sure. But it would be good news for America if you believe, as I do, that America would be better off moving in a more conservative direction. Keep in mind that when the Democrats move to the left, the Republicans move leftward to the middle that is, to the left. So Republicans who cheer the leftward tilt of the Democrats shouldn't be surprised when the entire political center of gravity moves to the left as well. "...Of course, during an election year the differences between conservatives and Republicans as well as those between liberals and Democrats become especially blurred. That's because elections force everyone to choose sides, to make the achievable good preferable to the unattainable perfect. Antiwar liberals held their noses and voted for Kerry even though he promised to fight harder than Bush. Small government conservatives contained their disgust for Bush's overspending. "But now the election is over, and I think you can expect to see a lot more daylight between conservatives and Bush.... "The White House has many excellent ideas tax reform, overhauling Social Security, etc. that conservatives should get behind. But if the goal is to make the Republican party the majority party by making it the more "reasonable" big-government party, I suspect you won't find it so easy to confuse conservatives and Republicans in the near future." Amen. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 10 2004, 08:35 PM Post #2 |
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"The White House has many excellent ideas tax reform, overhauling Social Security, etc. that conservatives should get behind. But if the goal is to make the Republican party the majority party by making it the more "reasonable" big-government party, I suspect you won't find it so easy to confuse conservatives and Republicans in the near future." Buddy says: How can the democrats move to the middle and support these plans. And still please Jonah. These are ALL, BIG government, big spending, big debt plans.. I can not understand how any conservative could support such big spending plans. Jonah says: But if the goal is to make the Republican party the majority party by making it the more "reasonable" big-government party. Buddy says: Doesn't he think there will have to be big government control of private retirement investment. In order to ensure a secure economic future for the Nation. People are going about the most economically destructive endeavor ever envisioned in the history of the world. A government insured and regulated, socialist stock market.. Supported by a sales tax. That by its very nature, discourages spending and prevents economic growth. Id love to come back and see the movie on this one... |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| brewster | Nov 10 2004, 08:50 PM Post #3 |
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With the Sales Tax & all, you wouldn't be able to afford it... :spin: :spin: :spin: Maybe some nice Canadian will take you... We love helping out third world countries...
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| bikemanb | Nov 10 2004, 10:11 PM Post #4 |
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Liberal Conservative
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The party has left a lot of us to become a free spending, social activist party but wait that is what we opposed as a minority for years. |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 11 2004, 07:21 AM Post #5 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Seems winning is everything. Can understand that for pols, but why do we the people want to lose? |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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