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| Badnarik Earns About 379,000 Votes | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 7 2004, 04:11 PM (109 Views) | |
| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 04:11 PM Post #1 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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My man Badnarik shows Libertarians are the third party choice of Americans. Beat Green and Constitution Parties combined. Came in behind Nader by only about 17000 votes. Badnarik earns about 379,000 votes, tops third party competition
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 7 2004, 04:16 PM Post #2 |
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Well, How does it feel to know your vote was worth about as much as a empty 12 pack of Schlitz cans.
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 7 2004, 08:26 PM Post #3 |
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70,000 votes in Ohio and Kerry would be president. |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| MDPD6320 | Nov 7 2004, 08:30 PM Post #4 |
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Chris, A good showing, but it takes a good showing in local and state elections to move the Republicans to the right. When you can split the vote and hand the election to a Democrat, is when they take notice. Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 08:36 PM Post #5 |
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Frank, what's the diff, they're both liberals, and everything I've read concerning domestic plans says Bush's will cost us more in money and interference. You cited this ex-Republican the other night: STRAYING FROM THE HERD: BARR THE CONTRARIAN SAYS HE’S GOING LIBERTARIAN
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| MDPD6320 | Nov 7 2004, 08:56 PM Post #6 |
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida
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I don't know if I can buy all of Barr's ideas, however there are many concerns that need to be addressed. I don't like all of the Republican's agenda, and as a younger man I fought to defeat Republicans in N.Y. This led to the election of James Buckley (Bill's brother) as N.Y.'s junior senator for the Conservative Party, against both "big" parties. As I said before. if I lived in Texas or even California I might not have voted for Bush. However in this election living in Florida, I didn't feel I could do anything but vote for Bush. I am afraid of things like a "World Court" to try our servicemen, and diminished sovereignty via UN treaties. In addition the Libertarians have some problems in their platform. Stuff like legalization of drugs will never fly in the US. Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 09:11 PM Post #7 |
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Probably won't fly, too much money involved in drug trade. Heard story other day how we are spending 100s of millions on crop dusting poppy fields in South America but a new strain has developed resistance to it so all we're doing is the farmers weeding for them. The spraying also kills banana and other crops they tried to turn to, so we're also forcing them back to poppy crops. Heck the Taliban did more to stop poppy production in Afgahnistan than we and the new democracy will ever. Drugs are a big business. |
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| MDPD6320 | Nov 7 2004, 09:18 PM Post #8 |
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida
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Chris, I have often thought if all the money spent on the "war on drugs" each year was spent on buying up all the coca leaves and poppys, we would probably be ahead of the game. Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 09:37 PM Post #9 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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And if you legalize drugs, by simple law of supply and demand, the market would dry up and not cost us a cent. |
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| MDPD6320 | Nov 7 2004, 11:16 PM Post #10 |
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How so ? Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 8 2004, 05:56 AM Post #11 |
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Drug prices are high because of risks involved in transport and sales. Remove the risks and competition would lower prices to the point it's not worth it. For the more common drugs like marijuana, people would just grow their own. For drugs associated with crime, heroin for example, lower prices would remove the need to commit crime to obtain the drugs. The dealers would find something else to sell, maybe start businesses and become contributing members of the communities they live in. It would gradually lose its "rebellious" appeal for young people. Just some basic economic arguments as I understand them. On this issue I am basically uncommitted, just not interested enough one way or the other. My only real interest is I figure I have an obligation to teach my son what drugs are and how they can interfere with hopes and dreams and aspirations to make something of yourself. I think he's gotten that message. |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 8 2004, 10:47 AM Post #12 |
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One point often overlooked. Is the amount of crime introduced into law enforcement. Because of their involvement in the drug wars. And their association with those involved in the criminal use and sale of drugs. How does this affect society. When societies caretakers become evil. When societies heroes are the bad guys. |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 8 2004, 12:30 PM Post #13 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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And a bigger question is can drug trafficking be tied to terrorists? |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 8 2004, 01:54 PM Post #14 |
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Not anymore.. We have run all of the terrorists out of Afghanistan. And heroin production is up. So the terrorist connection must have been bogus…
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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