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A Bit Of Humor; Concerning the Recent Election
Topic Started: Nov 7 2004, 08:35 AM (372 Views)
Colo_Crawdad
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For an interesting look at recent election results, just click here and then click on US Election 2004 Results Listed by Average IQ. Finally, click on the picture of the elephant and the donkey directly under the statement "US Election 2004 Results Listed by Average IQ."
I have a feeling there is a simpler way to do this, but sometimes I am "computer challenged." Sorry about that.

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Chris - San Antonio TX
Since it's an image, you can just post it...

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Interesting, but wonder where she got it? Where's the data? THe study?
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Paul ADK
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This has been kicking around for months on the internet and was made up of whole cloth. The study cited as the source did not measure IQ broken down by state and the author confirms that it would be impossible to come up with remotely like it from the data included in the report. I do think it is rather interesting that the canard is touted by the same side of the political spectrum that stoutly maintains that IQ does not count and should never be used as a predictor of potential achievement.
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Answer my own question, this post explains similar findings for 2000 election:
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This chart is derived from taking the Ravens Advanced Progressive Matrices of average IQ by state and then simply applying that state's election results from the 2000 presidential election. State IQ data drawn from a book called "IQ and the Wealth of Nations".

State Avg. IQ 2000 Winner
50 Mississippi 85 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 Gore
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
27 Missouri 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Bush
25 Alaska 98 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Gore
23 Ohio 99 Bush
22 Nevada 99 Bush
21 Michigan 99 Gore
20 Iowa 99 Gore
19 Colorado 99 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Gore
17 Virginia 100 Bush
16 Maine 100 Gore
15 Pennsylvania 101 Gore
14 California 101 Gore
13 Washington 102 Gore
12 Vermont 102 Gore
11 Minnesota 102 Gore
10 Delaware 103 Gore
9 Illinois 104 Gore
8 New Hampshire 105 Bush
7 Maryland 105 Gore
6 Hawaii 106 Gore
5 Rhode Island 107 Gore
4 New York 109 Gore
3 New Jersey 111 Gore
2 Massachusetts 111 Gore
1 Connecticut 113 Gore


Only response to it says it would be better to cite avergae IQ of voters, not entire population.


On edit, fixed link.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Paul, who's touting it?

Lowell, who I believe voted for Kerry, found it humorous. I, who voted for Badnarik, questioned the supporting data.
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Colo_Crawdad
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Chris,

I looked at what you did by using the "quote" function. I am slowly learning. Thanks,

Lowell
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Lowell, others, see Forum Code Tags in the Help forum here.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Paul "The study cited as the source did not measure IQ broken down by state and the author confirms that it would be impossible to come up with remotely like it from the data included in the report."

The Ravens Progressive Matrices is a legitimate test.

You say the "the author confirms...." The author? Do you mean the blogger? J Raven? Would you have a link, or some key words to find that statement?

Categorizing and averaging results by state, if that information is provided, would be a simple task.


Still not sure it says much as IQ is one thing and using it another.
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Paul ADK
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Take a look here...My Webpage
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What I get out of that is a bunch of Reps who don't like the table and who think repeating it is a hoax and fake that it will go away. One such attempt aligns it with average incomes, insisting that's the source of the IQ averages. Another cites a study of IQs and nations, and insists that proves the state study a hoax. Another cites as perfectly believable a 60's study that mixes the red and blue states differently. It is true the author of the test and the company who sell it do not know who if anyone ever condicted such a test, but wh would they? Throughout that blog the fact the postings of it say it's a joke are sloughed off in an attempt to maintain a sense of righteousness in their anger.

Too funny how Dems and Reps just keep beating up on each other.

Here is the IQ and income averages per state:
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--------------------------AVG IQ---AVG Income--'00
(1) Connecticut..............113.........$26,979.........Gore
(2) Massachusetts..........111.........$24,059.........Gore
(3) New Jersey...............111........$26,457.........Gore
(4) New York.................109........$23,534..........Gore
(5) Rhode Island.............107........$20,299..........Gore
(6) Hawaii.....................106........$21,218..........Gore
(7) Maryland..................105.......$22,974..........Gore
(8) New Hampshire..........105.......$22,934..........Bush
(9) Illinois......................104.......$21,608..........Gore
(10) Delaware................103.......$21,451..........Gore
(11) Minnesota...............102.......$20,049..........Gore
(12) Vermont.................102.......$18,834..........Gore
(13) Washington..............102.......$20,398..........Gore
(14) California.................101.......$21,278..........Gore
(15) Pennsylvania.............101......$20,253..........Gore
(16) Maine......................100......$18,226...........Gore
(17) Virginia....................100......$20,629...........Bush
(18) Wisconsin.................100......$18,727...........Gore
(19) Colorado....................99......$20,124...........Bush
(20) Iowa.........................99......$18,287...........Gore
(21) Michigan....................99......$19,508...........Gore
(22) Nevada......................99......$20,266..........Bush
(23) Ohio..........................99......$18,624..........Bush
(24) Oregon......................99.......$18,202.........Gore
(25) Alaska.......................98.......$21,603..........Bush
(26) Florida......................98.......$19,397...........Bush
(27) Missouri....................98.......$18,835...........Bush
(28) Kansas.....................96.......$19,376...........Bush
(29) Nebraska..................95.......$19,084...........Bush
(30) Arizona.....................94.......$17,119...........Bush
(31) Indiana.....................94.......$18,043...........Bush
(32) Tennessee................94........$17,341..........Bush
(33) North Carolina............93........$17,667..........Bush
(34) West Virginia.............93........$15,065..........Bush
(35) Arkansas...................92.......$15,439...........Bush
(36) Georgia.....................92........$18,130..........Bush
(37) Kentucky...................92........$16,534..........Bush
(38) New Mexico...............92........$15,353..........Gore
(39) North Dakota.............92........$16,854..........Bush
(40) Texas.......................92........$17,892..........Bush
(41) Alabama....................90........$16,220..........Bush
(42) Louisiana...................90........$15,712..........Bush
(43) Montana....................90.........$16,062.........Bush
(44) Oklahoma...................90........$16,198..........Bush
(45) South Dakota..............90........$16,558..........Bush
(46) South Carolina.............89........$15,989..........Bush
(47) Wyoming....................89........$17,423..........Bush
(48) Idaho........................87........$16,067..........Bush
(49) Utah.........................87........$15,325..........Bush
(50) Mississippi..................85........$14,088..........Bush


And the 60's study:
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Montana    104.9
New Hampshire  104.5
Connecticut  104.3
Idaho  104.3
Nevada  103.8
Massachusetts  103.7
Minnesota  103.2
Iowa  103.2
Virginia  103.1
Oregon  102.7
Washington  102.7
New Jersey  102.6
New York  102.5
Michigan  102.4
Kansas  102.2
Ohio  101.9
North Dakota  101.8
Illinois  101.7
Texas  101.6
Missouri  101.4
Vermont  101.3
Oklahoma  101.1
Utah  101.0
Colorado  100.8
Wyoming  100.6
Wisconsin  100.5
Maine  100.4
Nebraska  100.4
California  100.1
Pennsylvania    99.9
Hawaii    98.9
New Mexico    98.9
Delaware    98.8
Indiana    98.4
Rhode Island    98.1
Florida    97.4
Arizona    97.4
Maryland    97.2
Mississippi    96.9
Tennessee    96.6
West Virginia    95.6
Kentucky    94.2
Alabama    93.4
North Carolina    92.7
Louisiana    91.9
Georgia    91.5
Arkansas    89.1


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I have a high IQ.

On a scale of one to ten.. :)
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tomdrobin
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Lets see if I'm getting the insinuation right. If you have a high IQ, then your better at or more qualified in deciding who is best to govern? Don't know if I'm buying into that one. Abstract and analytical thinking don't always = common sense. I don't think intelligence and wisdom are the same thing. Problem is many who consider themselves intellectuals are so smug in their "right" thinking, they dismiss the ability of those with less intellect to make an informed decision. Life experiences and other things are important too.

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Chris - San Antonio TX
Agreed, as I said earlier, IQ is one thing, using it another. But the irony of this remains, the Reps so quick to call it a hoax readily accept it as fact when it makes them look better--and I'm sure back in the 60s the Dems argued like Reps.
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My teacher said I was a 6 or a 7. Does that mean some day I will be living in Key West.
"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity."
"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan
"Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin
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Nov 8 2004, 02:19 AM
My teacher said I was a 6 or a 7. Does that mean some day I will be living in Key West.

No, living in Key West means there is a high probability you are "one".
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