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| Is George Bush The Anti-christ? | |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 7 2004, 11:04 AM Post #16 |
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It would seem that a false prophet would be one who, ’ appeared’, to be a prophet. That false prophet could be one who claims to: 1. Come in the name of GOD. Proclaiming himself as the one anointed by GOD to be Humankinds savior. or 2. Comes in opposition to GOD. Proclaiming himself to be the true GOD. In either case the false profit would claim himself to be the key to immortality. |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| tomdrobin | Nov 7 2004, 08:51 PM Post #17 |
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I'll have to admit that my biblical knowledge is limited. But, I think the "False Phrophets", we are warned to be aware of, and the anti-Christ 666 etc. are two different things. |
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| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 09:26 PM Post #18 |
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Only two places, I believe, antichrist is mentioned in Bible: 1 John 2.18-19: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 2 John 1.7: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 666 and other stuff comes from 2 Thessalonians 2 and Book of Revelation. |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 7 2004, 09:37 PM Post #19 |
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From: http://www.bible.org/qa.asp?topic_id=9&qa_id=251 For instance, Ryrie, in his Study Bible says, “The prince of verse 26, the Antichrist previously introduced in 7:8, 24-26, who will make a pact with many (of the Jewish people) at the beginning of the tribulation period. But in the middle of the week (i.e., 3 1/2 years later) Antichrist will break his covenant and desecrate the Temple by demanding worship of himself in it. See notes on Matt. 24:15 and 2 Thess. 2:4. Here is his comment on Matt. 24:15: ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION. This is the man of sin (2 Thess. 2:4), the Antichrist, who at this midpoint in the Tribulation breaks the covenant he made with the Jewish people at the beginning of the Tribulation (Dan. 9:27) and demands that they and the world worship him. Those who resist will be persecuted, and many will be martyred; that is the reason for the urgency of the instructions in verses 16-22. The point is that a careful study of Daniel compared with Revelation shows us that the Antichrist will be someone who will rise up out of the ruins of the Old Roman empire that will be restored in the form a 10 nation confederation, much like the common market today. While the false prophet could be a Jew, the Antichrist seems to be a Roman. As Antichrist, his primary character is that of being against Christ. Jump ahead in the Revelation study to the material on chapter 17, especially verses 8f. This gives an historical sketch of the nations and might help see some of the issues here. |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 09:39 PM Post #20 |
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Ryrie? Really? Close it and open the Bible. |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 7 2004, 09:46 PM Post #21 |
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From: http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=2397 We would not be surprised to be told that false prophets will appear from without, trying to “come in” amongst the people of God. Sad to say, however, in both the Old Testament (above) and the New (see Acts 20:28-30; 2 Corinthians 11:1-15; 2 Peter 2:1ff.), we are warned that false prophets will arise from “within” the people of God. In our text (Deuteronomy 13:1), we are told that these “false prophets” are able to perform “signs and wonders,” which will convince the naïve that they are truly speaking for God. We should be aware that false prophets, if empowered by Satan, may be able to do that which is extraordinary (see, for example, the fortuneteller in Acts 16:16ff.). \l "P298_85767" No wonder there are “psychics” who amaze those who seek guidance from them. |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 7 2004, 09:52 PM Post #22 |
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Ryrie is one of your homeboys, What up ?
CHARLES C. RYRIE by Paul P. Enns Charles Caldwell Ryrie (b. 1925) is a graduate of Haverford College (B.A.), Dallas Theological Seminary (Th.M., Th.D.) and the University of Edinburgh, Scotland (Ph.D.). For many years he served as professor of systematic theology and dean of doctoral studies at Dallas Theological Seminary, where he challenged students to precision in theological speaking and writing. Dr. Ryrie is especially gifted in his ability to clarify profound theological truths in simple, precise language. He has enabled people to understand biblical truth that they would otherwise not readily comprehend and in this he has made an inestimable contribution to the Christian world. Dr. Ryrie's writings have consistently been on the theological cutting edge, addressing the critical issues of the day and speaking on behalf of dispensational premillennialism. In his classic text, Dispensationalism Today (1965), and his recent update, Dispensationalism (1995), Ryrie clarifies many of the misunderstandings that opponents of premillennialism and dispensationalism have leveled. He notes that even Louis Berkhof, a covenant theologian, makes (dispensational) distinctions, differentiating the OT from the NT and seeing four subdivisions in the OT. Ryrie defines a dispensation as "a distinguishable economy in the outworking of God's purpose" (Dispensationalism, 28). In a dispensation God places people under a stewardship or responsibility, people invariably failing the test, with a corresponding judgment and change. Ryrie clearly delineates the sine qua non of dispensationalism: 1. Dispensationalism keeps Israel and the church distinct. This is the most basic test of dispensationalism. 2. The distinction between Israel and the church is born out of a system of hermeneutics that is usually called literal interpretation. Dispensationalism interprets words in their normal or plain meaning; it does not spiritualize or allegorize the text. The strength of dispensationalism is its consistently literal, or plain, interpretation of Scripture. 3. The underlying purpose of God in the world is the glory of God (pp. 39-40). In contrast to covenant theology (which sees salvation as the underlying purpose) and progressive dispensationalism (which emphasizes a Christological center), dispensationalism sees a broader purpose – the glory of God. (This theme is developed in Transformed By His Glory) For this reason, the number of dispensations is not the critical issue in dispensationalism – as long as one is true to the three essentials of dispensationalism. Three dispensations – law, grace, and kingdom – receive most of the treatment in Scripture; however, it is possible to recognize other dispensations and while the historic sevenfold scheme of dispensations is not inspired, they seem to be distinguishable economies in God's program. Dr. Ryrie also interacts with progressive (revisionist) dispensationalism as held by Darrell Bock, Craig Blaising and Robert Saucy. This revisionist dispensationalism represents a major departure from normative dispensationalism. A major tenet of progressive dispensationalism is its belief that the Abrahamic, Davidic, and new covenants are already inaugurated and beginning to be fulfilled (already/not yet). They understand Christ as already seated and reigning on the throne of David in heaven. Ryrie questions, "Why is no mention made of an already inaugurated Palestinian covenant (Deuteronomy 29-30)?" (p. 163). The revisionist teaching of "already/not yet” is not new. C. H. Dodd taught it early in the twentieth century; George Ladd, the covenant premillennialist, and amillennialists A. Hoekema and R. C. Sproul have taught variations of it. Even nondispensationalists recognize that progressive dispensationalism has changed to covenant dispensationalism and has moved closer to covenant theology. The revisionists' failure to make a clear and consistent distinction between Israel and the church and the teaching that Christ is currently reigning on the throne of David in heaven is assuredly closer to covenant theology than to normative dispensationalism. Originally a doctoral dissertation, The Basis of the Premillennial Faith established the Old Testament foundation of premillennialism: "Holding to a literal interpretation of the Scriptures, [premillennialists) believe that the promises made to Abraham and David are unconditional and have had or will have a literal fulfillment. In no sense have these promises made to Israel been abrogated or fulfilled by the church, which is a distinct body in this age having promises and a destiny different from Israel's" (p. 12). With this foundation, Ryrie develops the Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 12:1-3), showing that this covenant awaits a literal, future fulfillment with the establishment of Israel in the Promised Land. This can only be properly understood when recognizing the distinction between Israel and the church (cf. 1 Corinthians 10:32). The church does not receive the fulfillment of these promises; they were made to Israel and will be fulfilled to that nation. Premillennialism is further established through the unconditional Davidic covenant (2 Samuel 7:12-16), which promises: (1) a posterity; (2) David's throne will be established forever; (3) David's kingdom will be established forever (p. 77). Many OT passages confirm the future fulfillment of the Davidic covenant (Psalm 89; Isaiah 9:6-7; Jeremiah 23:5-6; 30:8-9; 33:14-21; Ezekiel 37:24-25; Daniel 7:13-14; Hosea 3:4-5; Amos 9:11). Christ did not inaugurate this kingdom at His First Advent; it awaits His future return for fulfillment (p. 93). Premillennialism also has a basis in the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34), which provides unconditional grace, forgiveness, and restoration to the favor and blessing of God. While an aspect of it applies to the church, its complete fulfillment "requires the regathering of all Israel, their spiritual rebirth, and the return of Christ” (p. 111). Ultimately, "the new covenant is for Israel" (p. 124) and awaits fulfillment at Jesus' return. While recognizing Ryrie's important contributions to many critical theological issues, perhaps his most noteworthy contribution is the Ryrie Study Bible, now in an expanded edition (1995). |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| TexasShadow | Nov 7 2004, 10:47 PM Post #23 |
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interesting how interesting this subject is to a lot of people. being catholic, i was taught to not worry about the anti christ...just to keep my hands clean and God would take care of me. |
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| cmoehle | Nov 8 2004, 05:32 AM Post #24 |
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For some, Jane, faith and hope is not sufficient, for some hate and fear is necessary. Buddy, what's up is simple, don't need no elitist preacher man's personal interpretation of the Bible. |
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| august-alberta | Nov 8 2004, 07:28 AM Post #25 |
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AMEN! |
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| roscoe | Nov 8 2004, 08:23 AM Post #26 |
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I give that a second AMEN. Too many lowlifes out there using the Bible to pick your pockets.
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| Peralko | Nov 8 2004, 08:56 AM Post #27 |
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And I always thought Michael Moore was the anti-Christ! A lot of people love him, right! |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 8 2004, 10:39 AM Post #28 |
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So you would categories Bush and Ryrie in the same way? |
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 8 2004, 12:29 PM Post #29 |
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Bush just says "God bless America." He's not an apologist. |
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| BuddyIAm | Nov 8 2004, 02:00 PM Post #30 |
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Not so Chris.. Bush says GOD changed his heart. And that made him a better leader.. He doesn’t say GOD Bless America.. He says GOD Blessed Bush Jr., and prepared him to be America's leader.. And don’t use my word ‘apologist’. I want an apology for your act of wordsmith piracy..
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"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity." "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin | |
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