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| MDPD6320 | Nov 7 2004, 08:41 PM Post #16 |
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida
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Chris, Are you suggesting that the intellectual elitist that fill our universities, edit our newspapers, command our broadcast media, and run our trade unions are conserative like Will and Buckley? Give me a break ! Ken, To compare spending "political capital" to spending dollars is like comparing apples and oranges. I wouldn't change the all volunteer professional military for any drafted force, and to espouse the philosophy mearly "to show" those whose kids didn't elect to serve nonsense. Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| corky52 | Nov 7 2004, 09:06 PM Post #17 |
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Maybe those who don't serve shouldn't elect either, sounds fair to me, kind of like put up or shut up. |
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| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 09:19 PM Post #18 |
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How'd you get that out of what I said? Point was simple, intellectuals and elitists exist on both sides. The anti-intellectuals and anti-elitists just need someone to blame for their frustrated lives. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| MDPD6320 | Nov 7 2004, 09:20 PM Post #19 |
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Guess I read it wrong Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| campingken | Nov 8 2004, 09:41 AM Post #20 |
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Frank, Political Capital equals US dollars. Where will the money come from to pay for his new programs? Keep in mind that many of these military "volunteer professionals" are no longer volunteers. They have completed their enlistments and are now under a "stop loss" or being called back from the IRR (individual ready reserve). At least in the last big draft they let you out after 2 years and you didn't have to spend any more than 13 months in Viet Nam. I wish that there was a 13 month rule for Iraq and Afghanistan.... Ken |
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| wolfgoddess | Nov 9 2004, 09:22 PM Post #21 |
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Old Folks A college student challenged a senior citizen saying it was impossible for the older generation to understand him. "You grew up in a different world," the student said. "Today we have television, jet planes, space travel, nuclear energy, & computers. Taking advantage of a pause in the student's litany, the senior said, "You are right. We didn't have those things when we were young. So we invented them". |
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| cmoehle | Nov 9 2004, 09:25 PM Post #22 |
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Old folks reminds me of O'Rourke's "The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| olstuf | Nov 10 2004, 11:13 AM Post #23 |
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I did a bit of unscientific polling here in north Texas. I heard a lot of complaints about Mr. Bush (along with Kerry) and when I asked them if they voted, nearly all said no, one vote doesn't make any difference. It seems to be a general attitude among many. I believe I read where 68% of Wisconsin voters went to the polls and the national average was around 60%. Better than most years but still not good enough. How do you get them to the polls? |
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| Peralko | Nov 10 2004, 11:32 AM Post #24 |
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Corky, I'm so glad you have this all figured out, that all who voted for President Bush are flaming idiots! |
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| Paul ADK | Nov 10 2004, 11:52 AM Post #25 |
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Corky: We do pray that Bush will do a better job in the next four years. We also offered the same prayer for Clinton. We trust the good lord will answer the prayers this second go round. |
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| roz | Nov 10 2004, 12:39 PM Post #26 |
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Quote: _________________________________________________________________ I did a bit of unscientific polling here in north Texas. I heard a lot of complaints about Mr. Bush (along with Kerry) and when I asked them if they voted, nearly all said no, one vote doesn't make any difference. It seems to be a general attitude among many. I believe I read where 68% of Wisconsin voters went to the polls and the national average was around 60%. Better than most years but still not good enough. How do you get them to the polls? _________________________________________________________________ I think "four more years" will get them out, by the droves, anybody that thinks the democratic party is down and out is dreaming. I would hope Bush will turn a corner, be more fiscal conservative, not push the extreme right wing agenda on our country, be more diplomatic when dealing with other countries and ease up on the trigger finger, but after the last 4 years I have my doubts. I am afraid we will all live with the consequences, Democrats and Republicans. |
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| olstuf | Nov 11 2004, 02:50 PM Post #27 |
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I hope the party makes a resurgence such as they did with Clinton's first term. We need a multiple party system and the present administration has proven to many that it is a bit unreliable. I, for one, am glad to see Ashcroft leave and as soon as Rumsfeld goes, I will be happier. The suggestion that Cheney resign to make room for an "electable" candidate may have some merit. Anything to rid the government of him. I hope I have enough money left to survive "4 more years". |
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| kiwi_too | Nov 11 2004, 03:05 PM Post #28 |
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Beddows, You can't ignore the past. Character is to be considered. The only indicators of character is how one acted in the past. It all gets weighed. Now, to spend the whole campaign on one or two past events was rediculous. When do the parties stop posturing and start laying out an actual plan that can be voted on. Character is only part. Capabilities is part. |
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I Cor. 16:13 Keep alert, stand firm in your faith, be courageous, be strong. 14 Let all that you do be done in love. Dan | |
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| DanielDenali | Nov 11 2004, 04:44 PM Post #29 |
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I know it has been said before, but it's worth mentioning IMO. If we reinstated the draft and the children of the rich, as well as those of ALL our elected officials were subject to fighting the wars that this President, or any other would have us fight, maybe we wouldn't be as Hasty with our use of military force. There is in my opinion a time for war, I wonder if things may have been done a little differently if Bush children, or Rumsfeld children were dieing in this war? Or would they get deferments? |
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| cmoehle | Nov 11 2004, 05:47 PM Post #30 |
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Bill "How do you get them to the polls?" Find a leader. The resurgence you desire requires Dems move center. Leave the socialists behind. Per "I'm so glad you have this all figured out, that all who voted for President Bush are flaming idiots!" Whose problem is it if not ours for letting it come to this, choices only a few are really happy with? Paul, maybe the good lord is liberal? His followers are--the more conservative religiously the more liberal politically. ros, so your distinguishing fiscal conservatism from social conservatism seems to say you are a conservative Democrat. Were you so satisfied with Kerry who like Bush is a fiscal liberal? Dan "When do the parties stop posturing and start laying out an actual plan that can be voted on." When we stop believing them? Daniel, the elite like Bush do not serve. |
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