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This Is Scary; Canadian Politics
Topic Started: Nov 5 2004, 08:45 PM (251 Views)
corky52
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I just realized that I have been exposed to enough Canadian politics that I actually understand some of what your talking about. It's not bad enough we have American government to worry about now I'm starting to worry about Canadian politics too. Multinational political parties can't be far behind, now that's a really scary thought.
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The plan is working... :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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telcoman
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I have trouble understanding our government. Actually Corky, if you look at this page on my site ,Canada facts, Item #1 explains how it works. I think the Canadian system works better than the US except for 2 items that we should adopt from the US system & those are fixed election dates & 2 term minimums.
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we should adopt from the US system & those are fixed election dates & 2 term minimums.


I hope you meant MAXIMUMS, Beddows!
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corky52
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Paul,
I don't mean to say I understand your government, I mean I'm catching the drift of your politics, way different thing. Mechanics of government differ but it appears politicians aren't all that different. Scoundrels one and all, it's just that now your scoundrels have names I recognize nearly as well as ours.
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I did mean maximums. Sorry I was having a George Bush moment.

Corky you are right. Scoundrels, the lot of them.
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brewster
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Corky, I have NEVER characterized our politicians as "Scoundrels"!

"Liars?" - yes
"Clowns?" - yes
"Greedy?" - yes
"Myopic?" - yes

But "Scoundrels? - no! They're not smart enough for that!
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A lot of what I read makes Canadian politics closer to home than here. Not sure what it is. Some of it attributable to listening to those in difference provinces arguing back and forth about which province has the best system and vision. We seem to do little of that, some CA politics, especially with the recall, some TX, with the gerrymandering, some MA with the courts demaning its legislation write constitutional laws, but mostly federal this and federal that and federal everthing.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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corky52
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Paul,

I've always maintained that every office ought to be for life, at the end of the term if the politician has done a reasonable job we vote to pardon them, otherwise a shot to the head and one less scoundrel on the streets.
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Paul " I did mean maximums. Sorry I was having a George Bush moment."

Actually I was worried you had decided you liked him and wanted 8 more years! :tomato:
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The difference Chris is that Canadian provinces have far more power in respect to the Federal government than is the case in the US. In Canada, the Provinces are responsible for education, health care, car insurance, resource management, welfare, & numerous other things that would be a federal responsibilty in the US. In the case of Quebec, they even run their own immigration.

8 more years of George. Now that is scary. He might have run out of countries to invade by then & turn his attention to us. :laugh:
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Beddows is quite correct - I think the power the provinces possess has a lot to do with Canadian Politics.

Remember also, the underlying theme of conflict between Canadian Liberal and Canadian Conservative these days is not really economic or social... It's that the Liberals see a Canada driven by Central Government in Ottawa, while the Conservatives are bent on preserving the Constitutional Power of the Provinces.
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Wish we could get that far along!
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cmoehle
Nov 5 2004, 07:12 PM
Some of it attributable to listening to those in difference provinces arguing back and forth about which province has the best system and vision........

but mostly federal this and federal that and federal everthing.

Thats because most of us have long ago given up on the Federal B*st*rds, Chris.
Reagan said some good things between naps - one was "The most frightening words in the English language are; "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." "

One thing that astounds me, even to this day, are the number of Americans on either side that actually think Guy X or Guy Y
is your FRIEND! :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:


It's even gotten to the Provincial level in some places - unllike Brewsters rock-steady Conservative administrations, in BC we have shot from one extreme to the other over the last three decades or more. But in BC - we have had a reputation for many years - "We dont elect Governments - we throw them out!"


As far as before that goes, argument could be made about "WACcy's" SoCreds in the '60's; conservative sure, but big-project, big-spenders..... however at a time when it was needed - its because of THEM that we still have excess electricity to sell to California 40 years later.
Paul, imagine trying to build a new dam, and flood another valley NOW!
Cripes, we'd be eradicating the natural breeding ground of a little-known species of wild Kumqwat!!!! :nono: :nono: :nono:

PS; Corky, if you sometimes think you smell a faint hint of maple-syrup in your home, thats the "Canadian hydro" you're getting. ;)


If anyone gets the feeling that Canadians have a very jaded view of politics - it's only because WE DO.
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Actually, I'm not so sure those dams were such a good idea in retrospect. We undersold ourselves. The Americans were smarter than we were & ended up with the long end of the stick. The cheap power we supplied them enabled them to establish competing industries south of the border. It seemed like a good idea at the time, & I guess it was better than nuclear.
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