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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 5 2004, 05:48 AM (114 Views) | |
| cmoehle | Nov 5 2004, 05:48 AM Post #1 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Many are talking about how values won the elections, but there's a good case for value being the winning factor. 2004 ELECTION OUTCOME: MONEY WINS:
So it is, you pay for what you get or you get what you pay for? |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| MDPD6320 | Nov 5 2004, 09:02 AM Post #2 |
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida
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Chris, I recently heard that in the presidential race the states where money was spent, Florida, Ohio etc. elicited a vote turn out of only 0.1% greater than states where little or no money was spent. Texas, California. The story suggested that the impact of advertizing dollars was small. I tend to give this some credence as I believe people were sure of who they were voting for long ago. Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| brewster | Nov 5 2004, 09:47 AM Post #3 |
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| cmoehle | Nov 5 2004, 12:38 PM Post #4 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Frank, the money wasn't spent on getting voters out, it was spent on mudslinging. If you follow the trends in the polls people shifted back and forth throughout. And remember it was what, only 1-2% of the voters who decided (K 48%, B 51%) and the shift of 100s of thousands in this or that swing state. |
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| TexasShadow | Nov 5 2004, 01:28 PM Post #5 |
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somebody needs to tell bush jr that the "capital" he thinks he has is a delusion. he doesn't get it that he only won because more people disliked kerry more than they dislike him. |
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| cmoehle | Nov 5 2004, 05:24 PM Post #6 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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It's our captial, not his. Unless he's talking political favors? |
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| tomdrobin | Nov 7 2004, 09:20 PM Post #7 |
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So true! But, the term dislike is too strong for me. Disagree with some policies would be better way to phrase it. The phenomenon we saw this year that in my memory was unparalled in our history, is the outright hatred and frustration that has consumed many. Hate IMO does more damage to the hater than the hated, so is an exercise in self defeat. Why do we seem to be as a society so consumed with negative thinking? |
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| cmoehle | Nov 7 2004, 09:34 PM Post #8 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Having voted Libertarian, I would say the hate was expressed by a few Dems, and exaggerated by Reps who tended to express their anger at any sign of disagreement with policies. Those who are consimed by it are so because politicians see such wedge issues as a way to avoid dealing with real issues and the press plays on it because it sells better than real issues and because partisans who follow politicians and press wouldn't recognize a real issue if it hit them square in the face. Now I'm getting angry.
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| MDPD6320 | Nov 7 2004, 11:21 PM Post #9 |
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida
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Chris, Re: voter turn out I didn't say that the money was spent on turning out the vote, what I said was that thr number of voters differed only by 0.1% where mony was spent in relation to where it was not spent. Frank |
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" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have." "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. | |
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| cmoehle | Nov 8 2004, 05:58 AM Post #10 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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That's true. Little was spent, Libertarians don't have the deep pockets Reps and Dems pander to, so they don't have to promise one thing and do another. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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