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Topic Started: Oct 30 2004, 04:57 PM (501 Views)
BuddyIAm
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It is my belief that any innocent destroyed , no mater which nation, has been executed.

I’ll refer you to the Pope's statement on execution. He says it much better than I..


The Pope's Statement

While the vast majority of U.S. Catholics support capital punishment, Pope John Paul II has declared the Church's near total opposition to the death penalty. In his encyclical "Evangelium Vitae" (The Gospel of Life) issued March 25, 1995 after four years of consultations with the world's Roman Catholic bishops, John Paul II wrote that execution is only appropriate "in cases of absolute necessity, in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however, as a result of steady immprovement in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically nonexistent." Until this encyclical, the death penalty was viewed as sometimes permissible as a means of protecting society. The universal catechism--book of rules--for Catholics had affirmed the right of the state to punish criminals with appropriate penalties "not excluding in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty."
From Para. 56 of Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life), an encyclical letter on various threats to human life which Pope John Paul II issued on March 25, 1995.
"This is the context in which to place the problem of the death penalty. On this matter there is a growing tendency, both in the Church and in civil society, to demand that it be applied in a very limited way or even that it be abolished completely. The problem must be viewed in the context of a system of penal justice ever more in line with human dignity and thus, in the end, with God's plan for man and society. The primary purpose of the punishment which society inflicts is "to redress the disorder caused by the offence."(46) Public authority must redress the violation of personal and social rights by imposing on the offender an adequate punishment for the crime, as a condition for the offender to regain the exercise of his or her freedom. In this way authority also fulfills the purpose of defending public order and ensuring people's safety, while at the same time offering the offender an incentive and help to change his or her behaviour and be rehabilitated.(47)
It is clear that, for these purposes to be achieved, the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today however, as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically non-existent.
In any event, the principle set forth in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church remains valid: 'If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority must limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.'"
(46) Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 2266
(47) Cf. ibid.
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cmoehle
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But, Gary, iirc, somewhere else you said war in inescapable, and the only way to fight it is all out--that means civilian casualties. That means rather than fighting as best as one can a precision war avoiding colateral damage as th US tries, fight a general all out war with little concern for civilians like Israel fights.

I'm thus confused by your now being concerned.
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BuddyIAm
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I have not changed my position.

From the Pope’s Statement:

It is clear that, for these purposes to be achieved, the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society.

Buddy says:

This does make the idea of preemptive war difficult. Except in the case of irrefutable evidence.

It does not eliminate the necessity for war.

It does allow for the execution of innocents for the overall benefit of humanity.

Generals to the man will tell you the shortest route to peace. The method that will produce the greatest results. Is to strike fast and hard. Show no mercy and take no prisoners..

Anything less is to surrender the safety of your own men.

MODERN POLITICS will not allow for a majestically orchestrated war.

Buddy will insist on it when WAR IS NECESSARY..
"The truth lies in a man's dreams... perhaps in this unhappy world of ours whose madness is better than a foolish sanity."
"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Regan
"Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Didn't say you were, only that I was confused putting A and B together. It is clearer now. :unbelievable:
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BuddyIAm
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I confuse myself so often..

I jump at every opportunity to confuse another.. :)
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