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U B L Is Back!; Well President Bush???
Topic Started: Oct 29 2004, 02:22 PM (372 Views)
Banandangees
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cmoehle
Oct 30 2004, 12:52 PM
Should we turn on backs on Palestinians?

If it is a matter of choosing between Israel and Palestine, why certainly; but, it will be because of Palestine's doing. Israel has always been an ally of the U.S.. When has Palestine ever been considered an ally to never turn our backs against? President Clinton's gallant efforts to bring peace between Palestine and Israel and Bush's efforts for peace between the two has not been because "Palestine" is an ally. Arafat has never demonstrated that he really wanted peace. He wants an end to Israel. The U.S. has always supported Israel militarily and economically. We have never supported Palestine militarily. They aren't an enemy; but, they certainly aren't an ally - not by any stretch. Would we help the Palestinian people if they accepted Israel as a soverign nation and made a lasting peace with them? I think yes we would. But, nothing in the past has shown that that is ever going to happen - too much hatred.

I think there is much truth in what Krauthammer writes. Perhaps I errored in calling him a conservative. The Washington Post is not regarded as a conservative newspaper. But, he has seemed to favor the more rightish side as of late in his writings and on TV news shows. But, right or left, what he writes in his article, I think, has merit.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Bush's Road Map has (had") the insight to open the door to recognition of Palestine as a legitimate state. Should the majority of innocents be blamed for the minority of terrorists? Arafat is Egyptian. Restoring democracy to the Middle East will never succeed unless we befriend Palestinians.


You may have misunderstood my comments. Here is Krauthammer's paper from AEI, Democratic Realism. In it he rejects traditional conservative isolationism, liberal internationalism, and neoconservative realism for a new approach. Bush has shifted from neoconservative realism to liberal internationalism over the course of the Iraq war. Krauthammer takes the bull by the horns and suggests a way passed that policy conundrum.
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Banandangees
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cmoehle
Oct 30 2004, 02:20 PM
Bush's Road Map has (had") the insight to open the door to recognition of Palestine as a legitimate state.


Should the majority of innocents be blamed for the minority of terrorists? Arafat is Egyptian. Restoring democracy to the Middle East will never succeed unless we befriend Palestinians.


You may have misunderstood my comments. Here is Krauthammer's paper from AEI, Democratic Realism. In it he rejects traditional conservative isolationism, liberal internationalism, and neoconservative realism for a new approach.  Bush has shifted from neoconservative realism to liberal internationalism over the course of the Iraq war. Krauthammer takes the bull by the horns and suggests a way passed that policy conundrum.

Didn't Bush's road map also include Palestine's recognition and acceptance of Israel as a ligitimate state?

No the majority of innocents should not be blamed for the minority of terrorists. But, Israel is responding to the leadership of the Palestinians and his terror. Bush (and probably Clinton as well), I think indicated that the Palestinian's would have to put a leader in power that honestly would seek peace. It's up to the Palestinian people to select their leader (one way or another).

I did misinterpret what you were saying about Charles Krauthammer.

Well, I must take time out to watch my beloved Nittany Lions try to muster some kind of an offense against a struggling Ohio State Buckeye team. Prediction: PSU finally brings in their true freshman QB Morelli to get their offense moving and the defense will do it's job for a PSU 17 OSU 13 win. :hihorse: :wave: and oh yea, :pray:
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Yes, Palestine must also recognize Israel, though diplomatically that cannot happen until they are a state.

I'm not sure the Palestinian people have much choice given their current leaders.

I think Israel is moving in the right direction. Sharon showed great courage and conviction in giving up settlements in Gaza. Some of the more zealous Zionists need to get behind him.

Enjoy the game.
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