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U B L Is Back!; Well President Bush???
Topic Started: Oct 29 2004, 02:22 PM (374 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
"which is also in Iraq"

According to around half the population.




Americans (edit, US) are arrogant to believe terrorism is focused on only them.
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Banandangees
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teryt
Oct 29 2004, 11:05 PM
jackd
Oct 29 2004, 10:39 PM
Tery:
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I see it as a reason to not interupt GWB

Interupt what????
JackD

The execution of our war on terror - of which is also in Iraq.

"Allow him (GWB) to finish."

"How so?"

He can use his intelligence people to steal Kerry's plan. That would unite the freeworld against terrorism.
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"which is also in Iraq."

Does it seem that there is a high concentration of terrorists in Iraq compared to other countries at present? Wouldn't it be better if UBL spread them around a little more? Is this part of his leadership plan or doesn't he really have that much control over it?
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Thinking about Kerry's plan, which he won't reveal until after the election (and I can understand that), to unit the allies and the UN behind his Presidency and against terrorism AND the Iraq war. What one thing do most of you think it would take for Kerry to pull that off (seriously)?
Banan
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
banan "Does it seem that there is a high concentration of terrorists in Iraq compared to other countries at present?"

No, it does not. The press blares terror each beheading but the terrorist in Iraq a few and far between, largely it seems one small group under al-Zarqawi. From Spain to Russia terrorism abounds does it not?
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Banandangees
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But they seem to be much more active against an active force. Why don't they do more in the way of terrorising in Spain, Russia, France (where they refuse to let Islamic children were religious wear), Italy, Australia? Why are they delaying in those countries if the concentration in those countries equal to what we see in Iraq?
Banan
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DanielDenali
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It's plain and simple to me. UBL is winning. I hope Bush pays for this mistake with his job.

Usama Bin Laden is the most effective enemy this country has seen EVER! If we don't kill him soon we better get ready to have three USAMA"S He's showing the world that you can PISS all over America and get away with it. Now he is trying to influence our policy regarding Israel.

I'm angry!
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Banandangees
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Dan,

What do you mean "he is trying to influence our policy regarding Israel"?
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John - Gainesville, FL
He's turning into a modern day Robin Hood to the moslems, imo.
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TrampleLad
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Banan,

We are not only dealing with terrorists in Iraq. The Insurgency is also growing every day. They are not the same.
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DanielDenali
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Banan- He has said that the reason he attacked us is because of our involvement in supporting Israel during the 1982 war in Lebanon.

My take is that he is saying that if we continue to support Israel he will again kill Americans. We always knew that could be the reason. Now it is perfectly clear.

How will we as American react to this? Will there be an outcry for us to reign in our unyielding support of Israel? Will our allies suffer as well?

He has proven that he can attack us at will. He will again, it's just a matter of time. I wish that wasn't true. I'm afraid it is. Now what? How will we end this? How will we keep the next Usama in check? Will America be forced to capitulate? Will we have to alter our foreign policy in order to protect America? I see no other options than to risk all out war if we continue to support Israel the way that we do, but I am not in favor of altering our policy because Usama said so. What to do, what to do?

The way I look at it, we are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

He's winning. Kill him! Kill him! Kill him now! every day that he lives he gets stronger. He's like a virus, spreading his disease.
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corky52
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Dan,

GWB and crew say UBL isn't important, not worth the effort it takes to find and kill him. Don't you believe your President and his staff?
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DanielDenali
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corky52
Oct 29 2004, 07:59 PM
Dan,

GWB and crew say UBL isn't important, not worth the effort it takes to find and kill him. Don't you believe your President and his staff?

NO! HE is a LIAR! I hope America wakes up and realizes he is not protecting us at all.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Nah, Dan, he's losing. That's why he always attaches himself like a leach to popular causes. A populist in the same vein as Hitler.


Steve, there are also many foreign fighters who while enemies cannot be considered terrorists. And there are many common criminals, someone in the military over there a few weeks ago said most of the kidnappings are by criminal gangs trying to make money by selling captives to the highest bidders.

Just like you seldom hear good news out of Iraq, there is little emphasis on all these facts. Perhaps the media thinks we're dumb as rocks.
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sylley2000
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Hey,

Don't you realize that terrorism is alive and well -- Russian is engaged in terrorism on a daily basis. Spain had her turn. France has a large Islamic population that constantly battles their influence, Britain has been fighting their battle for a very long time. We were searched getting on a plane in 1971 from London, England to come home. Lives are lost every day between Israel and Palestine. All the countries in the world fight terrorism. People are blown up daily around the globe. Africa is a very violent continent. Haiti isn't far from the States--they have UN troops trying to bring order to that improverished nation.

I don't really follow what happens in Central and South America, but I betcha there are terrorists there too. When we went to Mexico they had guards with machine guns at the doors.

Believe me, you are not alone.

Sylvia
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Banandangees
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DanielDenali
Oct 30 2004, 02:56 AM
Banan-  He has said that the reason he attacked us is because of our involvement in supporting Israel during the 1982 war in Lebanon.

My take is that he is saying that if we continue to support Israel he will again kill Americans.  We always knew that could be the reason.  Now it is perfectly clear. 

How will we as American react to this?  .......

Dan,

I think for many Muslims (and according to OBL latest video), our support of Israel is a major reason for the hatred of America; although, not the only one. OBL hints that if we quit supporting Israel things may change. I think the change would be: "now that you infadels turned your backs on Israel, we want you to do this and this and this." But do we really want to turn our backs on Israel? If we turn our backs on them, to me, it would mean that we would turn our backs on just about anyone at anytime, even GB, Canada, Australia, if we find our best interests are threatened by thugs.

I know that Charles Krauthammer is a conservative columnist, but this editorial by him in the Washington Post is worth reading.
Banan
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Should we turn on backs on Palestinians?


As an aside I wondered why "...conservative...but..." until I ended up at the Wash Post. he he. He's also a frequent columnist I've read at Townhall.com, The Weekly Standard, The New Republic and The National Interest. I wonder if he's a conservative though. Born a New Yorker, raised in Canada, studied political science and economics at McGill University, MD from Harvard. I recall a foreign policy statement he made about a year ago, quite impressive, took a stance against Bush's adopted neoconservatism. Not your typical conservative. Hmm, oh, he supports Bush, that must be it. I'll go see if I can find that foreign policy statement.
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