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| I Have A Job, Kids And A College Education; Why he's not in Iraq | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 27 2004, 01:26 PM (511 Views) | |
| corky52 | Oct 27 2004, 01:26 PM Post #1 |
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At a breakfast meeting this morning we were being given a ra ra speech about the great job GWB was doing in Iraq at which I got up and left the room. The young man later got me aside and as why I was not "supporting the troops", it was just to much, I really got angry, something I try not to do. I proceeded to tell him exactly who some of those "troops" were and then asking him why if he felt so strongly why was he here and not over there? The gentleman's reply was the title I used, seems kind of lame to me. Seems many think themselves to "good" to dirty their hands in this war. |
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| sylley2000 | Oct 27 2004, 01:40 PM Post #2 |
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Corky, If you weren't a man, you could have cried and that might have embarrassed him, but I doubt it--he sounds totally callous! Sylvia |
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| corky52 | Oct 27 2004, 01:47 PM Post #3 |
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Sylvia, Like too many others he see his freedom, rights and privileges as a "birthright" not something he has any responsibility for. I didn't scream or anything, but the look in his eyes when I was done reminded me of a cornered rat. I didn't even raise my cane, should have though. |
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| pentax | Oct 27 2004, 02:01 PM Post #4 |
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Someday when somebody asks, he can simply say: "I had other priorities at the time." |
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| jackd | Oct 27 2004, 02:04 PM Post #5 |
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I am surprised this guy has a college education as he said. Normally, you need to have a minimun of 6 brain cells to go through college. :thinking: :thinking: "how did I manage to go through college????? JackD |
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| sylley2000 | Oct 27 2004, 02:12 PM Post #6 |
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You're being far too gracious by giving him a rationalization for his selfishness. He's a creep and you don't deserve to have someone like that cause anger, even if it was fleeting. He's the type that spends his entire life considering only himself, he would be no son to his parents, no grandchild to a grandparent, no husband to a wife, no father to a child, ... there would only be him, him, him. Take heart, because he will live and die a lonely man never knowing what its like to feel the wonders that relationships demand and return. Walk away from these type of characters with your head high and thank your lucky stars that you aren't like him. He is to be pitied. Sylvia |
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| olstuf | Oct 27 2004, 02:14 PM Post #7 |
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Corky, when I am talking to one of those young fellows who are professing their support for Bush's war and the like, I ask them if they want my niece's husband's phone number. He is a recruiter for the US Army. I keep it handy. Haven't had one ask for it yet. How dare a company use their control over its employees to propagandize on company time. In fact, Wisconsin state employees are warned not to do so. A couple (more like a couple of dozen) were docked pay for campaigning on state (taxpayer's) time. A couple members of the state legislature were indicted for using them. |
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| DanielDenali | Oct 27 2004, 02:15 PM Post #8 |
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It is my opinion that many of our enlisted men and women are in the military today because of the leg up it offers those that would otherwise be hard pressed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Our government offers young people a chance to better themselves in ways that would for many would be unobtainable. That said, I wonder how many of those fighting in Iraq support this war now that it has become clear that the initial risk assessment used for making the case for invasion was just a little flawed? I like what Kerry said during one of the debates. I can't quote him, but it went like this. Honor the warrior not the war. I myself would be proud of my son for honoring his commitment to America. I would also be more than a little angered by those that see this war as anything but a mistake. The war on terrorism should be well thought out, not a reaction to fear. Give me a lantern and I will stay up all night and guard our homeland. Give me a gun and send me off to a foreign land to instill Democracy and I would drag my feet. |
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| corky52 | Oct 27 2004, 02:25 PM Post #9 |
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Oldstuf, This was a Republican party local breakfast group. I went because I'm one of the RINOs thats going to bring the party back on track out here. I was prepared for some crap but this was just to much. Sorry I should have made it clear that the meeting was political not a business meeting. |
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| olstuf | Oct 27 2004, 02:33 PM Post #10 |
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That makes it okay to try and "convert" you but still, his answer is a bit cavalier. Of course the candidates themselves did the same thing. Boola boola, Eli Yale. I don't know Wyomings cry. Maybe it is "Doggone, that hurts" from remembering their license plates. |
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| Sea Hound | Oct 27 2004, 02:47 PM Post #11 |
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I dont` want to turn this into 'America Bashing" or a political argument, however it is strange to me that with all the rehetoric about who should go etc. No-one ever suggests that the children of politicians should be at the front. If this is outside the perimeters of this board, delete. No problem. |
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| corky52 | Oct 27 2004, 02:52 PM Post #12 |
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Sea Hound, Watch the Bush girls on TV, you really think they would make it in the service? |
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| Sea Hound | Oct 27 2004, 02:59 PM Post #13 |
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Corky: My point is polititians will cheerfully send you kids and grandchildren off to war, but very seldom do they send their own. It would be an interesting study to find out howmany children of military age there are among the Federal polititions who back the war. |
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| corky52 | Oct 27 2004, 03:04 PM Post #14 |
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Sea Hound, I'm sure there are several sets of numbers out there on the question, just a question of who's you use. The real problem goes deeper, the sense of entitlement that seems to infect many in this country is far more damaging. The rights without responsibility feeling, the "I was born here, I'm entitled" sentiment. |
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| Banandangees | Oct 27 2004, 03:48 PM Post #15 |
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Who can say that they like war.......besides Gen. George Patton if he were still living. Probably the men under him would have voted to go home if they could have. The more than four hundred who drowned on a sunk ship in the English channel while practicing a dry run in prep for the Normandy invasion probably would have voted to go home. The first five wave to land on the Normandy beaches would probably have voted to go home instead. Most of them didn't enlist, they were drafted. Most yound men after WWII for another 15-20 years were apt to be drafted into military with the risk of having to face battle; but, they probably would have voted to do otherwise when the time came. And, not only them, their loved ones would have also voted for them to come home. Although, someone had to do it I guess even though Germany did not invade the U.S. Let someone else do it would have been what most felt, just like we are discussing here. But, I suppose someone had to do it. And, who in their right mind would look forward to it. There were many ill advised battles and plans during WWII, and many were lost in the process; but, someone had to do it for us to have all we have enjoyed for the past 60 years. What if they would have walked away.....as I suppose would like to have done? Thank God for them. President Bush made a decision based on what he (and many others) thought was reliable intelligence. Just in the WSJ today, an article titled "As Bill Clinton Once Said... It pointed that "...Messrs. Clinton and Bush have a lot more in common than that piece of wishful thinking. Both have warned - Mr. Clinton first - that the nexus between rogue states like Iraq and terrorists like al Qaeda poses the greatest threat to America. On this point, in fact, Mr. Clinton has much more in common with Mr. Bush than he does with John Kerry. "According to 9/11 commission co-chairman Thomas Kean, Mr. Clinton believed with 'absolute certainty' that Iraq provided al Qaeda with weapons of mass destruction expertise and technology in the 1990's. He believed it as President when he ordered the destruction of the al Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan, and he believes it now. And it's not just Mr. Clinton. According to Mr. Kean, 'Top officials - Bill Clinton, Sandy Berger and others - told us with absolute certainty that there were WMD at that factory and that's why we sent missiles............" So had President Clinton had another term and was President when 9/11 happened, by what he believed, Iraq would have been fair game. He and the Democrats would have had the responsibility of following up on the 9/11 retaliation and offensive war on terrorism. He would have been responsible for the deaths, not of the 3000 in the twin towers, pentgon and the plane in PA, but the troops he would have had to send in harms way. There aren't just over 1000 of ours killed in this terror war thing. It is just over 4000. No one wants to send them and no one wants their loved ones to go. But, someone has to do it if we want to prevent (if possible) more or worse 9/11s. And yes, I would rather it be your son than mine. |
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