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The Right To Be Stupid?; Do you believe in this right?
Topic Started: Oct 26 2004, 01:32 PM (440 Views)
corky52
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Brewster,

We have the freedom not to save the person, all those actions are free choice to do or not to do. You may feel you need to do the rescue but it's not a forced choice.
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I think the question should be. Do people have the right to expect others not to mention their stupidity?

When I see stupid I always say "thats stupid" am I stupid for doing so?

Please tell me I am stupid so I can stop!

By the way do we have a consensus on what stupid is? Most do agree on the big stupid stuff. Like using your cigarette lighter to see if your gas tank is full. But what about lesser stupid acts? Should we have "stupid police" to confirm acts of stupidity?

Perhaps an Ad-Hoc committee is in order.
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pentax
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DanielDenali
Oct 26 2004, 01:39 PM

Perhaps an Ad-Hoc committee is in order.

ROTFLMAO.

In my experience, a committee is usually the precursor to stupidity - at least those committees that acomplish anything at all.
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teryt
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Oct 26 2004, 07:32 PM
Simple question, "Do you believe people have the right to do things that are not in their own best interest without outside interference"?

Well sure, but then comes the rub of invading other's space/rights.
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olstuf
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The question boils down to "Am I my brother's keeper?" I'm sure all of us believe we "know better" than the individual doing something stupid yet most of us have done things considered so. I have tried to prevent people close to me from being self destructive but have not always succeeded. As an optimist, I always feel as though I know best. As an practical person, I know that is not so. Suicide is a matter that is different. I don't believe I could stop someone who is terminally ill from stopping the pain but would try to prevent one suffering from depression from ending their life. All of our actions affect someone. I would never resist telling someone whose driving habits or reckless actions with weapons endangered someone. I tolerate those whose habits of smoking and excessive drinking that are certainly self destructive and may endanger others but not in my house or vehicle. Undoubtedly the best policy is to "live and let live" but meddlesome people like me have a problem with that.
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Oct 26 2004, 09:19 PM
The question boils down to "Am I my brother's keeper?" I'm sure all of us believe we "know better" than the individual doing something stupid yet most of us have done things considered so. I have tried to prevent people close to me from being self destructive but have not always succeeded. As an optimist, I always feel as though I know best. As an practical person, I know that is not so. Suicide is a matter that is different. I don't believe I could stop someone who is terminally ill from stopping the pain but would try to prevent one suffering from depression from ending their life. All of our actions affect someone. I would never resist telling someone whose driving habits or reckless actions with weapons endangered someone. I tolerate those whose habits of smoking and excessive drinking that are certainly self destructive and may endanger others but not in my house or vehicle. Undoubtedly the best policy is to "live and let live" but meddlesome people like me have a problem with that.

Yes, but the rub comes when we try to apply that thru government.
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corky52
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teryt,
Does your comment apply to all government intervention?
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roscoe
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On a weather chanell show the chief explained to the reporter of people wishing to stay in their homes during a hurricane. Warned to leave he mentioned he would not send help to them if the winds reached over a 100 mph.

Seemed fair to me. Why force them out ? Their choice.
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teryt
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Oct 26 2004, 09:30 PM
teryt,
Does your comment apply to all government intervention?

I'm increasingly more that way, and have a strong Libertarian bent in me. Lately I've also come to view Christian's and the church's role in politics in a dimmer light. I believe the world is going down a certain & slow path to destruction, and there really is little we can do about that. We should do well to each other, and try to exhibit Christ's love for others, but not against their free will. However, these acts of kindness will not stop the ultimate decent, and only Christ's return will fix it all.

Now, with that said, many Christians are on a mission to somehow correct & turn the clock back on things like abortion. Problem is to do this, they must become involved with politics, which is a dirty business, and which is not a good place to demonstrate Christ's love.

Thanks for asking.

So, if I get off on some political tear - I ask for your forgiveness in advance. I perhaps have lost sight of what I just said, in the heat of things!
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TexasShadow
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no one has the RIGHT to hurt other people....
so the answer would have to be that no one has the right to risk their life if risking it is going to cost someone else, either materially or mentally.

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I do a lot of volunteer work with a bunch of young (18-24) drug addicts.
Should I let them sniff and inject themselves until they die?
Our team and I are trying our very best to interfere with their stupidity, not for religious reasons, but for basic human reasons.
Yes, we regularly intervene against their free will at times because we know for a fact that some just can't differentiate between right or wrong, what's good or what's bad for them and others around them.
teryT: You said: "these acts of kindness will not stop the ultimate decent."
Totally untrue and false. I have seen kids on the streets, begging and stealing, selling their winter jacket and boots in the middle of winter to buy dope when it was not their own body for $20. to some old deranged boy lovers.
With some, (many) we have been able to stop their ultimate decent and turn some of them into respectable members of our society.
When an happily married 27 years old guy, working as an avionic technician asked me to become his daughter' godfather, I knew what I did to and with him 8 years ago had nothing to do with depriving him from his liberty or interfering with his own life.
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Oct 26 2004, 10:45 PM
teryT: You said: "these acts of kindness will not stop the ultimate decent."

Totally untrue and false. I have seen kids on the streets, begging and stealing, selling their winter jacket and boots in the middle of winter to buy dope when it was not their own body for $20. to some old deranged boy lovers.
With some, (many) we have been able to stop their ultimate decent and turn some of them into respectable members of our society.

Don't get me wrong, I totally applaud you for what you are doing. I've been on drugs & lived on the streets.

My perception is a one based on my Biblical understanding. While the whole world system is going under, how we treat each other will be judged. But it's not about avoiding judgement, it's about doing what is right - we should love each other. Doing otherwise is being deceived as to what the bigger picture is.
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jackd
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teryt:
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I believe the world is going down a certain & slow path to destruction, and there really is little we can do about that.

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these acts of kindness will not stop the ultimate decent

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While the whole world system is going under.....

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My perception is a one based on my Biblical understanding

I have not opened a bible in the last half century, but it now seems to be portraying a pretty dim view of the situation we're in.
Cheer up :)
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olstuf
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Jackd: Your last remark, "Cheer up" always makes me remember the next couple of lines, "things could be worse. Sure enough, I cheered up and things got worse!" However, cynic that I am, we have survived worse times and will survive these although it may be very difficult for some who have never been deprived of material things. Not a believer of Armageddon in which "good" and "evil" destroy this world, I do believe we will have some idiot use a nuclear weapon for the purpose of spreading their idea of "good" against their perception of "evil". I do not think it will spread very far though. I think there are more rational people in the world than the opposite.
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jackd
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Olstuf: I am an eternal optimist.
Yes, thing could go sour before they taste sweet again.
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I think there are more rational people in the world than the opposite
....that's what I also think.
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