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| This Is Why Bush Will Lose Wisconsin; "It is the economy, stupid." | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 26 2004, 06:58 AM (332 Views) | |
| olstuf | Oct 26 2004, 06:58 AM Post #1 |
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I remember reading that statement about twelve years ago. I think it is still true at least here in the upper midwest. How can Bush win over the undecided or swing voters if they aren't allowed to get into his speeches? As usual for this darned newsite, the link doesn't work. I get another maybe? No luck. Anyway the story in today's Cap Times precludes Bush's trip today into the Southwestern community of Richland Center where the rally is by invitation only. The city's industry, Rockwell Automation are in danger of losing their jobs to Mexico. They are already training workers Mexican worker here and are sending people to Tecate Mexico to train workers down there. Very concerned about losing the 450 jobs here. Now 450 jobs in Chicago or Dallas doesn't sound like many but in a community of 2500 people, it is significant. But they cannot voice their opinion to Mr. Bush because they are not invited. Is the picture of the ostrich with its head in the sand more accurate than the wolves lurking in the woods? I think so. Its the economy, Mr. Bush. |
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| TrampleLad | Oct 26 2004, 07:04 AM Post #2 |
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| olstuf | Oct 26 2004, 07:14 AM Post #3 |
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Trample lad, yes the darn link rarely works. Go back and read the post after I edited it. The Cap Times and the State Journal use the Madison.com site and because they are on different sides of most issues, I believe gremlins do a bit of sneaky work.
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| sylley2000 | Oct 26 2004, 09:35 AM Post #4 |
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olstuff, Was it this link?: Outsource jitters await Bush Richland Center workers train Mexicans http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/local//inde...&nt_adsect=edit Sylvia |
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| karmasasha | Oct 26 2004, 10:18 AM Post #5 |
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I believe there is a lot more than the 450 job loss that the Bush team does not want the public to be aware of. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 11:34 AM Post #6 |
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This is typical of both camps. Control the crowds so when folks elsewhere catch it on the news the sound bites sound better. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| Peralko | Oct 26 2004, 11:38 AM Post #7 |
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And why is jobs going overseas the President's fault? It certainly didn't start with President Bush, and it won't stop when he is out of office either! |
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| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 12:15 PM Post #8 |
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Really! Bush hasn't done a damned thing to hurt OR HELP the economy. Presidents are not in a position to do that. Most they can do is act as cheerleaders. Actually, why is outsourcing jobs overseas a bad thing anyhow? |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| Peralko | Oct 26 2004, 12:25 PM Post #9 |
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CHris, It is obviously bad for those who lose their jobs, like the Levi plant that closed here in San Antonio. It certainly keeps prices low--I've bought a lot of stuff that would have been much more expensive if they had been made here. I guess the issue is whether we're going to have a world economy like we are heading toward, or try to be self-sufficient. Some would argue that we are far past the latter choice already. If we are going for the former, we take on a world policeman mentality to ensure stability in international trade--a prerequisite for a world economy. Stable oil supply, for instance, is required for several of our significant trading partners, such as China, Japan, and other far-east countries. Puts the Iraq war in a different light, doesn't it! |
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| pentax | Oct 26 2004, 02:22 PM Post #10 |
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You're so right, Chris. I'm sure you've seen the REAL pictures of the square when Saddams statue was toppled.... the first media coverage looked like masses of people, many of whom pulled it down. The "away" shots show a smallish group, huddled around the cameras, and an American TANK hauling on the cable.... |
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| pentax | Oct 26 2004, 02:25 PM Post #11 |
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Depends a lot on whose job it is, doesnt it? Like the old saw: "If your neighbour gets laid off, its a Recession. If YOU get laid off, its a Depression." |
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| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 05:25 PM Post #12 |
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Understood. I went through that when the .com Bubble popped and companies started outsourcing IT years ahead of other jobs. But got up, dusted myself off and searched until I found something of value to me and where by working hard I can contribute. That I feel is the solution, not government protections, tarriffs and quotas. World has to get past nationalism to grow. |
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| olstuf | Oct 26 2004, 05:58 PM Post #13 |
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Sylvia, yes. I may have posted too early if you got thru to it. Madison is a state employee city and not really an early bird. If I heard the news reader correctly, they expect 60,000 folks to hear Kerry Thursday night in the UW area in Madison. I find that a bit high and am thinking more like 6000. If it was held in Camp Randall Stadium, yes, but in the downtown area, no. My question is why, when Bush is trying to get votes, does he limit his audiences to written/pledged supporters? Preaching to the choir. Richland Center, a hippie haven from the 60s, would not be my choice for him. I am awaiting word on his stop in Cuba City which he flat ignored earlier and Kerry made a short detour to stop. I have a very vocal Democrat friend who undoubtedly was there even if he had to lie and sign a loyalty oath. I know he will give me an unbiased report.
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| bikemanb | Oct 27 2004, 06:52 AM Post #14 |
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Chris, I must take umbrage the above portion of your statement. The long term effect of the massive debt run up by cuttin taxes (to bribe for votes) and spending like drunken sailors (to bribe for votes) by the Bush Administration will reverberate through our economy for a long time, and not for the good. |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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