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Proof Of Quagmire In Iraq
Topic Started: Oct 26 2004, 06:02 AM (570 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Justine, I suggest you read some history of the region. About Iraq especially. And you don't have to go back to the dawn of science and mathematics. Just last century when Iraq was considered one of the most democratic, highly educated nations there. Iran was not far behind. The "very strong group of wackos who do nothing but kill , destroy, and incite hatred" are few in either of those nations even today--probably more of the Christian sort in the West. Pull out and many will fill the vacuum of liberal democracy.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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Justine
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I realize they( the Iraqi people ) are not all wackos, I meant that there is a " very strong group" as in there is a minority leading the country into the grave and until other nations pull out, the majority will not take their rightful place. Handing it to them will not be effective. The better majority has to fight it out, freedom has to be earned, and yes that often involves blood and tears, I think our own nations are good examples of that.
Look at the good that came form your own civil war, no other country handed a victory to you, and yes many died( which is always regrettable, but are the growing pains of a nation)
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cmoehle
Oct 27 2004, 11:20 AM
Tery,

1) But we do not vie for power here. We give our opinions and take others'. We challenge and question. We do not bargain. The most to be gained is either some childish if not churlish pleasure thinking you've won some argument, or what I consider the more mature and civil atitude of learning something about oneself and others.

2) Nonanswer. These are the words where you say you were attacked: "It is human negotiating nature to try & defend your position when attacked." That is specifically what I am asking about and would seriously like an answer on.

3) Nonanswer.

4) Nonanswer.

I get the feeling you do not like questions.

What can I say here Chris? I just don't see the point of this line of questioning. As I said, seems a little dramatic. Is "attacked" too strong a word for you? I think people attack other people's positions all the time on here. Is that not your perception?

On #1, I disagree. It just may not be "power" as you define it, but there is certainly some element of it in many conversations.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
What I see is someone bash Bush and you take it as personal attack. Not just you, but here I see that. And not just Bushophiles but Kerryophiles as well.

If no so, I am wrong.
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teryt
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cmoehle
Oct 28 2004, 12:44 AM
What I see is someone bash Bush and you take it as personal attack. Not just you, but here I see that. And not just Bushophiles but Kerryophiles as well.

If no so, I am wrong.

Never said that. Defending positions. However human. So there is some ownership in anyone's position.
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