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| TrampleLad | Oct 28 2004, 06:46 AM Post #61 |
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Chris, I know, I just wanted to tease you for quoting the Republican National Enquirer. We should have all the facts before jumping to conclusions, but the Bush administration doesn't work or play that way. Most people are sucked in by who can sensationalize the best or who can come up with the silliest one-liners. I think the Kerry camp has seen how effective this can be and is also utilizing the same approach in their campaign strategy now. What's good for the goose is good for the gander approach. Is it right? No. does it work? Yes. |
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| Peralko | Oct 28 2004, 07:19 AM Post #62 |
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Just what is a "dual use explosive"? These are conventional explosives, used in a variety of miltary applications. Now it seems they were carted out of Iraq before the war, so what was the President supposed to do? Well, he could have invaded Iraq to reestablish control of these and other munitions--wait--that's what he did! At least we have someone in office who has the guts to do the right thing. Hopefully after the election we will cast our eyes on Syria--who knows what we will find! Of course, if Kerry gets in office, he will turn tail and run, like he did in Vietnam! |
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| TrampleLad | Oct 28 2004, 07:37 AM Post #63 |
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muahahaha. Sorry, I got a chuckle out of this. If you want to use the washed-out Viet Nam anaolgy...Let's see, Kerry went, Bush didn't...hmmm? In regards to Iraq, guts or blind arrogance? It's all on how you look at it, I guess. |
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| Colo_Crawdad | Oct 28 2004, 09:05 AM Post #64 |
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Isn't it interesting that the current Bush administration "line' or "spin" is that the matter is "under investigation?" Want to bet the results will be available immediately after the election is final? Concerning the possible removal of the weapon material prior to our invasion, I also find it interesting that according to today's Denver Post, using a Knight Ridder article, "U.S. intelligence officials on Wednesday said it was unlikely that the Iraqis could have moved the quantity of explosives without being spotted by U.S. reconnaissance satellites, planes or aerial drones." So many blunders by the current administration! This appears to be just one more. |
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| teryt | Oct 28 2004, 09:29 AM Post #65 |
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So easy to be a Monday morning quarterback - but hey, somebody's got to do it! I also find it interesting that we directly want to blame the president for something that may or may not have happened in another (at the time) soveriegn country 10,000 miles away, and involved our military at a time of war. OK, "buck stops here" and all, but gee wiz! Kinda like blaming Bush for the Clinton recession. |
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| brewster | Oct 28 2004, 09:39 AM Post #66 |
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Or Clinton's inaction for the war in Iraq??? :thinking: |
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| cmoehle | Oct 28 2004, 11:16 AM Post #67 |
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Per: "Now it seems they were carted out of Iraq before the war...." Has not been established yet.... Lowell: Aministration says "under investigation". Tery, when the Reps paint a rosy picture they give the Pres credit but when the Dems paint a gloomy picture the Reps insist no blame can be laid on the CinC. Just cannot have it both ways without being duplicitous. (Pre-emptive counterpoint: Kerry can't have it both ways focusing on fighting in Vietnam but blurring his actions after.) |
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| Peralko | Oct 28 2004, 11:28 AM Post #68 |
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Absolutely true! Just like it is absolutely true it has not been established there was anything the President could have done about it, or even when these explosives disappeared. Just irritatating the demos jump on a story without the facts, which we don't have yet. And I know you're going to say the repubs would do the same, and you're right. However, this attitude that the President is always to blame get a little tiresome. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 28 2004, 12:05 PM Post #69 |
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As does the praise. War going well it's all Bush but war going to hell it's all else. Economy same. Presidents have little if any control over either yet both are out there right now promising us the sun will shine we vote for them and the world will end we don't. What we need is a leader. |
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| Peralko | Oct 28 2004, 12:10 PM Post #70 |
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You are abolutely right! Where is Jack Ryan (from Clancy) when you need him. We need someone in the White House that doesn't strive to be there, but once there, he makes decisions based on what is best for the country, whether or not that is popular. Unfortunately, I only see such a character in a fiction book! |
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| brewster | Oct 28 2004, 12:28 PM Post #71 |
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Hmmmm.... Welll, never mind... Per, they're out there... I think the real problem is that a principled individual like that has a hard time rising through the party ranks... |
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| cmoehle | Oct 28 2004, 04:21 PM Post #72 |
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Sure I'm idealistic, but all organizations crumble under their own weight--governments, religions, corporations, political parties.... Laws of Nature. |
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| TrampleLad | Oct 29 2004, 07:24 AM Post #73 |
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A new wrench thrown into the mix on the missing explosives: An embedded KSTP reporter took video footage after breaking into an IAEA sealed facility at Al QaQaa on April 18th - 9 days after the fall of Baghdad - and took footage of the explosives inside. Only the dangerous stuff had the IAEA seal. The saga continues... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...us_iraq_weapons |
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| Peralko | Oct 29 2004, 07:54 AM Post #74 |
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TrampleLad, It is all dangerous. This talk about "dual-use" is irrelevant unless we are talking about someone putting together a nuclear bomb, and most have decided we aren't worried about that, right? |
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| cmoehle | Oct 29 2004, 11:13 AM Post #75 |
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Steve, heard that too. It's far from over. One thing bothers me is when someone reacts to criticism about this as if it's critcical of the soldiers. Don't think so. Soldiers follow orders. |
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