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760,000 Suicide Bombers Marching North; 380 tons is one thing but think of it th
Topic Started: Oct 25 2004, 12:23 PM (1,036 Views)
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An update from Fox:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136745,00.html
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Update from different source:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/102704C.html

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As it turns out, it's not much of a story. First of all, the administration didn't screw up. It seems the weapons may have been gone when we got to Baghdad.



Jim Miklaszewski of NBC News reported Monday night that his network was right there, on the spot, when the 101st Airborne got to the installation south of Iraq's capital on April 10, 2003. "But these troops never found the nearly 380 tons of some of the most powerful conventional explosives called HMX and RDX" said Miklaszewski.



Then on Tuesday Miklaszewski provided more details. He reported that the 101st airborne troops "were not actively involved in the search for any weapons" and that, given the size of the Al Qaqaa facility, it's unclear if the 101st was "near the bunkers that reportedly contained the HMX and RDX." But he went on to say that "in March, shortly before the war began, the [International Atomic Energy Agency] conducted another inspection and … inspectors were unable to inspect the RDX stockpile and could not verify that the RDX was still at the compound." It seems some of the missing materials were moved even before Americans set foot in Iraq - right under the UN's nose!
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More, addressing Kerry's strategy:

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But far more important, Kerry's complaints about Bush only enforce Bush's reason for invading Iraq. Think about it.


Kerry and Edwards say that Bush didn't do enough to prevent the disappearance of the explosives, which could be used against Americans here at home. But the very existence of such explosives -- whether defined as weapons of mass destruction or not -- was the reason Bush led the nation into Iraq in the first place.


Why did we invade Iraq? Specifically, so dangerous weapons would not be used
against us here at home -- either by Saddam Hussein's forces or by his terrorist friends. Did we miss some of these weapons? Of course. But we got a lot more than we would have gotten if we had not gone into Iraq in the first place.


If we had followed Kerry's strategy, Iraq today would have far more than 380 tons of explosives to use against us.


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Explosives under lock and key or explosives you don't know where the hell they are, which would you rather have? Saddam had kept them there for years and then GWB and crew lose track of them in no time at all. Cut it anyway you want and this is a MAJOR screwup, it happened on GWB's watch, and goes to the way the war was and is being run, poorly with bad management.
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More from Washington Times:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20...01153-4822r.htm

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GERTZ // THURSDAY // WASH TIMES: Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned. John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, “almost certainly” removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
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Oct 28 2004, 05:13 AM
teryt,
Explosives under lock and key or explosives you don't know where the hell they are, which would you rather have? Saddam had kept them there for years and then GWB and crew lose track of them in no time at all. Cut it anyway you want and this is a MAJOR screwup, it happened on GWB's watch, and goes to the way the war was and is being run, poorly with bad management.

Seems that now, this is only YOUR opinion. Even Kerry will have to back off this - or suffer more credibility issues. But Oh Yeah, it's ends justifies the means with T minus 5 days.
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And this wasn't caught and followed up by GWB and crew because????? A known facility with vital connections to a nuclear weapons program not being watched????? Cut it any way you want and bring in all the "pros from Dover" you want, the explosives are gone and it happened on GWB's watch. Poor management, poor planning, poor control and supervision, all go up the chain to the top! Not doing the job gets you fired, maybe should be even worse in this case, malfeasance somewhere in the chain.
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OPPS! We rushed to a conclusion, without a plan to retract the foot from our mouth. (But we have a plan to make a plan - baring unforeseen plans.)

ABC News Story


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The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing — presumably stolen due to a lack of security — was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.


But the confidential IAEA documents obtained by ABC News show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors recorded that just over 3 tons of RDX was stored at the facility — a considerable discrepancy from what the Iraqis reported.


The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the start of the United States launched "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in March 2003.


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Oct 28 2004, 05:25 AM
And this wasn't caught and followed up by GWB and crew because????? A known facility with vital connections to a nuclear weapons program not being watched????? Cut it any way you want and bring in all the "pros from Dover" you want, the explosives are gone and it happened on GWB's watch. Poor management, poor planning, poor control and supervision, all go up the chain to the top! Not doing the job gets you fired, maybe should be even worse in this case, malfeasance somewhere in the chain.

:ohmy: Corky - What will you say if the reports that say that the stuff was gone BEFORE THE WAR ring true?
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It's still at large somewhere and GWB and crew were on watch at the time. If it was being moved how come they missed it? Still all goes back to poor management and control. If they'd know they would have made hay from it, part of Saddam's program to make WMDs.
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OIC - What yer saying is Bush was in office, but before boots had hit the ground. Right?

So doesn't that show evidence towards the idea of WMDs there?
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All it show at this point is that 300 and some odd tons of dual use explosives that we knew the location of are no long in a known location and that it was on GWB's watch that we lost track of them. Were the stolen and sold to ?????, are they in the hands of AQ as part of their nuclear project, did they go to Iran? Where have they gone and why is this just now surfacing???? Control of nuclear precursors from a known store being lost is a very serious business?
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For some reason that shipment of missiles from N. Korea to Yemen that was intercepted prior to the war, but still allowed to be delivered popped to the front of my mind on hearing this news.
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Oct 27 2004, 11:15 PM
hey, I thought you stopped reading Drudge?

What about this guy? Ach, he's probably lying...

Mohammed al-Sharaa, who heads the science ministry's site monitoring department and worked with UN weapons inspectors under Saddam, said "it is impossible that these materials could have been taken from this site before the regime's fall."

He said he and other officials had been ordered a month earlier to insure that "not even a shred of paper left the sites."

"The officials that were inside this facility (Al-Qaqaa) beforehand confirm that not even a shred of paper left it before the fall and I spoke to them about it and they even issued certified statements to this effect which the US-led coalition was aware of."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...p/us_vote_kerry

The best explanation is the one that accounts for all the facts.

Explosives missing. The kind used in terrorist bombings. Obviously, some cause for concern on everyone's parts with our soldiers there.

An embedded reporter saying the military inspected and found nothing, other embeddeds saying the military did not. No comment from the military? Surely.... Inspectors and Iraqis claiming the exposives were not missing right up to invation.

Speculation of Russian troops in the area. Should we then add one more to the coalition?

In an election year the Kerry camp playing it up and the Bush camp playing it down. The White House knew earlier, why'd they wait for the press to break the story?

What are the other facts?

The best explanation is the one that accounts for all the facts? Well, an explanation based on reason would demand that, one on faith not necessarily.
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RE: Russian troops in the area

At the very early stages wasn't there some talk about a large Russian convoy? I think I remember some of us speculating on them skirting Saddam or some WMD out of the region.
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