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760,000 Suicide Bombers Marching North; 380 tons is one thing but think of it th
Topic Started: Oct 25 2004, 12:23 PM (1,038 Views)
corky52
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"At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said U.S.-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. The site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

Drudge is full of B. S. as usual.

Poor planning, poor support, poor administration!!!!!!!

Time to get some leadership that knows how to do more than make excuses and claim to "working hard" .

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corky52
Oct 25 2004, 09:25 PM
"At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said U.S.-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. The site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

Drudge is full of B. S. as usual.

Poor planning, poor support, poor administration!!!!!!!

Time to get some leadership that knows how to do more than make excuses and claim to "working hard" .

THATS PRETTY DAMNING, PEOPLE.

That says it was NOT "faulty intel", "nobody knew" or "we didnt find the place" until it was emptied - it says somebody already KNEW! - The day the attacks were launched!

What was the problem - too many troops assigned to guarding the Ministry of Oil offices?
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Paul, why are you skeptical about one report but jump to conclusions about the next? What happened to seeing what sticks to the wall.

The current MSNBC report doesn't exactly say what Drudge claims. Even Drudge fudges on the lag between invasion and securing a known weapons cache. The crux of the of the argument, addressed by both camps and others concerned is whether there were enough troops on the ground.

Word from the White House: “Remember, at the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom there was some looting, and some of it was organized,” McClellan said. “There were munitions caches spread throughout the country, and so these are all issues that are being looked into by the multinational forces and the Iraqi Survey Group.”
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A top nuclear-proliferation expert says that the Bush administration's failure to safeguard almost 380 tons of high-tech explosives "borders on criminal negligence"

Monday, the Bush administration downplayed the threat posed by the missing explosives and tried to shift the responsibility for safeguarding them to the Iraqi military. White House spokesman Scott McClellan pointed to the "more than 243,000 [tons of] munitions" already destroyed by U.S. forces. "The sites now are really ... the responsibility of the Iraqi forces," he added.


Using what?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/26/explosives/
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Peralko
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I'm just wndering if we found these missing explosives, would we also find the missing WMD? :dunno:

Heard on the news the missing explosives were RDX and HMX, both also used in conventional military munitions. RDX is used in handgrenades, as an example.
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http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=54&u_sid=1240847

Timing of explosives theft in dispute WASHINGTON - The White House acknowledged Monday that nearly 380 tons of powerful explosives are missing from a weapons facility that American forces failed to guard after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, raising fears that the weapons could be given to terrorists or used for attacks against troops in Iraq.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=576082

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And so the fingerpointing begins?

But it does appear that sometime between April and May, most of the stuff was carried off. The site was in total disarray, just like a lot of the Iraqi sites." It is now in the hands of ?

IMHO, perhaps the truth will be known one day when the media and political frenzy dies down. Wouldn't it be convenient if terrorists date their bombs so it can be known exactly when they began to assemble it?

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Per, that seems to be the spin the White House is stretching.


What's ironical is the incompetence argument Kerry now uses originated in Republican ranks some time ago when many of them were screaming for pull out. Go back 3 months on this forum you find it, where I argue, and still do, we must stay. Republicans it seems are just as ephemeral as Democrats.
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Wouldn't it be convenient if terrorists date their bombs so it can be known exactly when they began to assemble it


Good idea Sylley, but we'd only find out when the incompetents and trainees built the duds... :laugh:
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Peralko
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Chris,

My only point with the WMDs is that we have not found proof either way. Yet you hear it presented as fact that there were no WMDs. The logical question is if 380 tons of conventional explosives could disappear, why could not a few tons of nreve gas? There is no spin to the question, just the question itself. Frankly at this point, the WMDs are not the issue, winning the war is.

BTW, have you seen the movie Fahrenhype 911? Picked it up at Sam's the other day,. although I haven't seen it yet. Saw an excerpt on TV where MM says there are no terrorists. Might be interesting.
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Per, you can't prove a negative. Is that even reasonable? Isn't usually up to the one making assertions to prove it?

You are right, the focus should be making the best of the Iraq situation and then getting back to the Terror War.


I found F911 mostly boring. There was an interesting point or two made but I can't remember them, and it's only been two weeks. Connections between the Administration and the Middle East, especially Bushes and Bin Ladens was one now I remember, some obvious favoritism there. Otherwise Moore plays just as much a bully with what Bush did and said as Bush with what kerry says and does and vice versa. Boring as sin.
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Sin is boring now????

Darn, we're all getting old..... I'm going back to 1969 - this is a drag, man.


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Peralko
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Chris,

I find the issue of WMD not about proving the negative--after all--he had them at one time, and noone could account for them. At this point, whether he had them two years ago is speculation either way.

You missed the fine print. I asked about Fahrenhype 911, not Farenheit 911. Different movie, but probably boring as well!
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Had them according to every report coming out of the government up until the Gulf War. Inspections since then as well as after invading this time have turned up nothing. Inspections could continue to turn up nothing, it wouldn't matter, induction cannot be absolute. You cannot prove a negative. It would be unreasonable to attempt to. And more unreasonable to continue to argue the possibility of finding something serves as justification. As unreasonable as hoping Bush will give up his faith and become a born-again conservative.

Hadn't heard there's a new movie. Let me know when it hits the video store, if it's anything like Ft911 in it's one-sidedness, I could use the sleep.
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Fahrenhype911 was in the stores last week.

Interesting following this discussion along, and seeings its evolution. Looks like the missing explosion story by CBS & NY Times has blown-up in their faces.
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In what way has it blown up in there faces?
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