| Welcome to Campfire Soapbox. We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2
| Foriegn Policy Surprises Lie Just Around Corner; What the next president will lifely face | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 25 2004, 11:14 AM (475 Views) | |
| teryt | Oct 25 2004, 11:16 PM Post #16 |
![]()
Missing in Action Member
|
An interesting thought . . . from a Canadian? |
My Boast is Christ ![]() Soon to have MBA (I'll perhaps be smart then) Recovering Perfectionist Christian Hedonist | |
![]() |
|
| Banandangees | Oct 26 2004, 08:05 AM Post #17 |
|
Member
|
Cmoehle Didn't say anything about being at war with the EU. Simply referring to the feelings of the demonstrated views of the people of Europe (Germany, Spain, France, most in GB, etc) toward the U.S. and the ugly American; the interests of the EU countries vs the interests of the U.S. Nothing really new here. I am not talking war (presently), I am speaking to interests. The nations of Europe will eventually be unified (if the selfishness of each individual nation or a handfull of them doesn't get in the way) and they are/will be a superpower wannabe in my estimation. Folks speak to the selfish oil interests of the U.S. when the EU countries have an even greater, selfish oil interest and it may very well be an interest that drives and steers their action as a wannabe superpower down the road. When they have that more unified influence, their prestent demonstrated actions isn't convincing me that they will put UN interestes ahead of their own, they showed that with the food for oil sharades, they aren't that honorable. China has demonstrated that they will be uninfluenced by any show of power or opposing interests from any direction in years to come, in my estimation. The U.S. interests or that of the rest of the world won't be put ahead of their own. Whether that leads to a war in the future wouldn't be something unusual if your consider the past. As far as the U.N. is concerned, the U.S. may possibly be the strongest single member of the UN as you say, but collectively it is obviously not; and, I am not saying that it should be. I just don't see what we are benefiting versus what we have contributed in the past (realizing that we are holding up contributions presently, in the past we contributed greatly). I certainly don't feel that I am and I am not intending to insult the U.S. by what I wrote. The insulting is in the fact that we still belong to it, IMO. Toothlessness, the UN's action in the Sudan is just one recent action of it being toothless. The food for oil scandal is an example of it's corruptness. So you may say "look at the corruptness of the U.S. and big corps." But, why should any corrupt nation belong to a corrupt organization that it does not benefit from. Don't we learn anything from watching the Sapranos. The money that goes into the UN does not produce an worthwhile result. It has become a bad investment. No respectable corrupt nation would throw good money after bad. That goes against the logic of corruptness. The UN is toothless and can't digest what it swallows. It regurgitates the given food and further seeks to feed itself on the regurgitation - like a parasite. And I know you won't mind me saying that everything that you write also doesn't always totally gel in everyone else's mind. For example, you claim to be a centrist (a radical centrist) but your writings give you away. |
| Banan | |
![]() |
|
| teryt | Oct 26 2004, 10:00 AM Post #18 |
![]()
Missing in Action Member
|
Some snippets here that I liked. Ditto on the last paragraph - has me wondering too. |
My Boast is Christ ![]() Soon to have MBA (I'll perhaps be smart then) Recovering Perfectionist Christian Hedonist | |
![]() |
|
| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 04:50 PM Post #19 |
|
Chris - San Antonio TX
|
Banan "I am speaking to interests." Oh. The hyperbole had me fooled I guess. I mean, if I'm thinking a nation has its own interests at heart, I don't reverse and turn that inside out as they are against us. They are for themselves, as we are, and should be. As for the UN, we are a member. If you disagree with that, if you are insulted, by it, you feel membership toothless, you should take it up with the President I think you support, the one who other than thumbing his nose at them once, continues to return to that forum for help. And then, typical of a socialist conservative, like ditto above, you have to make it personal. What is with that? Can socialists not talk opinions and ideas? Is it frustration? Frustrated I am more conservative than you? I know you won't mind me saying that. BTW, what I say I would not expect to gel with anyone else's thinking--I, at least, think independently. |
|
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
![]() |
|
| teryt | Oct 26 2004, 04:53 PM Post #20 |
![]()
Missing in Action Member
|
Hey! It's not about size, but performance! (I know, I know, all those "less conservatives" say that.) |
My Boast is Christ ![]() Soon to have MBA (I'll perhaps be smart then) Recovering Perfectionist Christian Hedonist | |
![]() |
|
| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 06:22 PM Post #21 |
|
Chris - San Antonio TX
|
In Bush's case as regards spending borrowing government the size is big and performance liberal. |
|
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
![]() |
|
| Banandangees | Oct 27 2004, 08:38 AM Post #22 |
|
Member
|
Can a "centrist" be an independent thinker? Seems that the centrist, taking some from the left and some from the right, would be dependent on both for that taking. Or, is it that the left gets its foundation from the center and the right gets its foundation from the center and therefore everyone is dependent on the independent center(ist)?
|
| Banan | |
![]() |
|
| « Previous Topic · Soapbox · Next Topic » |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2








2:20 AM Jul 11