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| Kerry Sends 10,000 Lawyers To Polling Places; Sounds like a joke - but not funny! | |
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| cmoehle | Oct 25 2004, 05:48 PM Post #61 |
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Uh, guys, try as you might to rewrite history, Bush, his team of lawyers, and the Reps took the 2000 election to the courts, not the Dems. And what a waste, what a way to tarnish the image, when it was unnecessary. He won. Get over it. It's 2004, next election is days away. On edit, it's funny to think he may not have gotten over it, he's running on the same promises as four years ago. :thinking: |
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| teryt | Oct 25 2004, 07:03 PM Post #62 |
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vrrt vrrt STAWMAN! STRAWMAN!! I didn't see anyone making that arugument. And, since you brought it up - what was going on in FLA was just too screwy - remember trying to recount the votes only in the heavy Dem counties? Remember the screwy decision of the FLA Supreme Court. Let's not re-open that mess. GIT BACK IN THE BOTTLE GENIE!!! :mad1: |
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| cmoehle | Oct 25 2004, 08:06 PM Post #63 |
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Study up: Stephen's Guide to the Logical Fallacies. |
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| teryt | Oct 25 2004, 11:14 PM Post #64 |
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And by the way, you can put toothpaste back in the tube - I do it all the time. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 04:44 AM Post #65 |
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Tery, point is a strawman is when one side argues a point and another distorts it into a weaker version more easily argued. A strawman is not when one side is arguing a point and another points out the opposite is true. To call that a strawman is grasping for straws. |
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| teryt | Oct 26 2004, 09:54 AM Post #66 |
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RED HERRING RED HERRING! Mailman. Pizza man. Candygram. |
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| teryt | Oct 26 2004, 10:04 AM Post #67 |
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You are correct on the Strawman definition, but you introduced something that nobody was saying. So you are correct, it probably wasn't a STRAWMAN, but a RED HERRING instead, which was a diversion from what was being discussed. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 11:31 AM Post #68 |
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When the basic argument is "When the party that loses but claims victory and sues using its many lawyers" it is relevant to point out it is not true since in fact the Reps sued in court. But keep trying. Something might stick. |
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| Peralko | Oct 26 2004, 11:41 AM Post #69 |
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But Chris, it is also true that Gore used his laywers to invalidate military votes from overseas. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 12:13 PM Post #70 |
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After Reps had taken it to court they both went whole hog. Why the assumption I point at Reps I'm protecting Dems? I prejudicially dislike both equally. :yuck: |
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| Peralko | Oct 26 2004, 12:28 PM Post #71 |
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Actually the Gore lawyers did that before the reps took the election results to court. Too bad we can't start a new party that caters to our convictions! I'm about half and half in agreement with both party platforms. |
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| teryt | Oct 26 2004, 02:39 PM Post #72 |
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Hmm, I didn't make that statement, Chris, Banandagess did some time back. You appear to frequently get me confussed with someone else. Hense, to me your injection seemed like a RED HERRING. Plus, I think it would be helpful to use the "quote" feature more - this way I know who yer refeing to. Thanks. I'M THEIR LEADER - WHICH WAY DID THEY GO!!??
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| cmoehle | Oct 26 2004, 05:34 PM Post #73 |
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Tery, go back a few posts. I addressed both of you with my statement about the Reps running to court first--so, no, I did not confuse. Your argument, basically the overgeneralized association of lawyers and Dems was also countered by the specific example of Bush and his team's use of lawyer. Perhaps I depend too much on context. You countered with an empty strawman accusation, then backed off for an empty red herring accusation. By empty I mean tossing out logical fallacies without any substance to either explain or support it. Per, the Reps were first to court. The Dems were hot on their tails. I think some, not you, confuse that as my saying they both do it thus it is OK. Quite the contrary, they are both wrong. And, like you, I want another choice, something closer to my convictions and principles. |
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| teryt | Oct 26 2004, 11:57 PM Post #74 |
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Wow Chris, I just get weary of always going back to look at who said what, then trying to explain it. (Wearing down is a common negotiating tactic by the way.) If one was to accept your version, there's never a logical falicy coming from you! :laugh: BTW - Seems to me to be good documentation showing that lawyers give a huge amount of money - even more than organized labor - to the DNC. But you seem to somehow not accept the numbers. Anyway - too - tired - to - respond more - now - must -- have -- sleep. 3 jobs & school does that to me |
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| cmoehle | Oct 27 2004, 05:30 AM Post #75 |
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I guess I figured those who advocate positions would remember them. Negotiating implies winning and losing, what's to be won and lost here? Sometimes you sound like a lawyer. Let me, on edit, respond to this issue of logical fallacies. I do not claim heartless logical perfection. Nor am I personally insulted when someone points to something specific I say and explains it is a logical or factual flaw. And that I believe is a difference in my doing it and your doing it. I take the time to make it clear what it is I think is the logical flaw, thereby giving the other the chance to clarify intent or explain position better or fill in the missing gap in thought. hat differs from liberally flipping the terms out, ad hominem! strawman! red herring! as nonsequitars. |
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