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| Kerry Sends 10,000 Lawyers To Polling Places; Sounds like a joke - but not funny! | |
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| brewster | Oct 22 2004, 04:45 PM Post #31 |
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I like my answers better than the ones YOU came up with.
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| teryt | Oct 22 2004, 04:53 PM Post #32 |
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OK, point taken on the personalization - but it does seem to wax personal many times (all your fault). :laugh: So in this marketplace, maybe what feelings about these stats as opposed to thoughts would be more relevant. Therefore, I feel that lawyers are more on the side of democrats & visa versa. (There! I think I can defend my own feelings if nothing else!)
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| sylley2000 | Oct 22 2004, 05:02 PM Post #33 |
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From that same site: Top contributors DNC by sector: http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/sector....=DPC&cycle=2004 Agribusiness $2,150,307 Communic/Electronics $14,041,878 Construction $3,084,411 Defense $729,602 Energy/Nat Resource $2,011,440 Finance/Insur/RealEst $33,817,060 Health $7,300,903 Lawyers & Lobbyists $27,481,688 Transportation $1,863,906 Misc Business $15,449,427 Labor $4,537,679 Ideology/Single-Issue $25,323,341 Other $29,564,133 *** Top contirubutors RNCby sector: http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/sector....=RNC&cycle=2004 Agribusiness $7,675,713 Communic/Electronics $11,004,910 Construction $12,632,593 Defense $1,504,806 Energy/Nat Resource $8,905,966 Finance/Insur/RealEst $54,921,388 Health $16,508,775 Lawyers & Lobbyists $9,485,043 Transportation $8,050,311 Misc Business $36,354,434 Labor $420,300 Ideology/Single-Issue $6,987,909 Other $37,284,971 You might want to look at the undisclosed factor -- the DNC reported Full Disclosure $145,926,420 (94.4%)94.4% of theirs. The RNC didn't do quite as well Full Disclosure $147,923,780 (91.2%). About the only conclusion I'd draw from those figures is that the RNC has more than double the budget. DNC overall Raised:$114,738,161 RNC overall Raised: $256,082,690 Sylvia Betcha a skilled statistician could read those numbers a LOT of different ways? E.G. Why does the RNC get so much money from the Health sector? There are liars, dam liars, and then there are number and bean crunchers! |
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| cmoehle | Oct 22 2004, 06:17 PM Post #34 |
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Fine, Tery, feelings are respectable, though not convincing. Sylvia, what I see there is lawyers blurred with lobbyists, and in terms of amounts equal to special interests, such as Christian Right groups, and overall big contributors but not the biggest. |
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| sylley2000 | Oct 22 2004, 06:23 PM Post #35 |
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How 'bout misc business? What would be in that? It's more than 36 million dollars for the RNC compared to just less than 16 million for the DNC. The total amounts for each of the candidates is staggering--256 million compared to 115 million! That's close to 1/2 billion dollars for two people to be elected. Sylvia |
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| jackd | Oct 22 2004, 06:31 PM Post #36 |
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What happens when you mix millions of $$$ in political contributions, 10,000 lawyers, a bunch of politicians, lobby groups, thousand of journalists, religious fundamentalists, Iraq, Vietnam, an elephant and a turkey? A real mess. JackD |
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| teryt | Oct 22 2004, 06:42 PM Post #37 |
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Sylvia, the numbers in your post are by aggregate sector, correct? You realize that this is different than looking at individual industries, right? Do you see in that same website, but broken down further, that lawyers top the giving to the DNC? Do you find where the RNC get's about half what the DNC gets from lawyers? |
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| sylley2000 | Oct 23 2004, 12:24 PM Post #38 |
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Terry, What I see will be different from what you see. My point was you can do many things with numbers. Why do you suppose you might interpret the data differently? Wow, could it be that individuals look at numbers with a jaundiced eye? Numbers cease to be meaningful when 'causal' relationships are attached to them. For instance, why do you suppose the RNC gets more than 1/2 as much as the DNC from the Health sector? In the end, they are just numbers which are easily twisted to support whatever opinion is put forward as an hypothesis. The best guard against that is to view numbers as interesting. The scientific method breaks down when they are used for political purposes. Empirical analysis of numbers is best left to ethical scientists with carefully controlled studies that start with a null hypothesis and include double blinds before any causal relationship can be established. Sylvia |
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| cmoehle | Oct 23 2004, 12:32 PM Post #39 |
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Stats hint at what might be. |
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| teryt | Oct 23 2004, 12:35 PM Post #40 |
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OK granted. In another life I might like to be one of those political scientists, as this stuff is quite facinating. From a casual stance, however, it would certainly seem that trail lawyers would be very leary of Bush, since he's always jangling the tort reform chains. And therefore more likely to support democrats. It is interesting that on this ticket we have two big biz candidates vs. two lawyers, and from a casual observation, it might appear that things are biased in those directions. |
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| cmoehle | Oct 23 2004, 01:38 PM Post #41 |
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Tery, not being nitpicky, but the key concept is causal not casual.
Kerry, a lawyer? Didn't know. Bush a big businessman, say, what!? Surely you jest. |
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| brewster | Oct 23 2004, 01:46 PM Post #42 |
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Yup, Chris, that's what their bios say they are, or were. In both cases, it was a long time ago, and they probably never were for very long. |
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| sylley2000 | Oct 23 2004, 01:48 PM Post #43 |
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Chris, Pundits prefer to be casual about cause. There's a lot of mischief out there in the big city! If at all possible they use casual cause to cause people to vote in a preferred way-- their way!Sylvia |
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| cmoehle | Oct 23 2004, 02:02 PM Post #44 |
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Hmmm. I dismissed Kerry so long ago I guess there's much I don't know about him. Question, casual one, where do lawyers make their big bucks? Big business? |
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| teryt | Oct 23 2004, 02:08 PM Post #45 |
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That's Shirley to you, and I meant "casual."
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