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Kerry Sends 10,000 Lawyers To Polling Places; Sounds like a joke - but not funny!
Topic Started: Oct 20 2004, 01:29 PM (878 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Yes, I remember that in that thread it was shown that not all lawyers are evil as you seem to believe and that just as many are employed by the right. After all who took the 2000 Florida vote to the courts in the first place?

Still curious, this your first election?
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Teryt, not on the news programs I saw. However, I don't have cable/satellite and have to rely on PBS and either NBC or ABC. Don't watch CBS 'cause you said they lie. :poke:
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Remember the thread about trail lawyers & the left? They really like each other, and there's more fresh stats to back that up.


Is that because many trial lawyers believe in rule of law rather than rule of man?

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Hmmm...good spin teryt. Everything I have read so far states 'both sides' have an army of lawyers ready to be unleashed. After the fiasco of the 2000 elections what did you expect?
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Ralph Nader should get HIS film makers together and come up with a "competitive movie" and title it:

"MAKING A FARCE Of A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!"
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Oct 21 2004, 10:50 AM
Yes, I remember that in that thread it was shown that not all lawyers are evil as you seem to believe and that just as many are employed by the right. After all who took the 2000 Florida vote to the courts in the first place?

Still curious, this your first election?

Stats show that lawyers are by far the biggest single contributing block to the DNC. Should I post a link to show you?

Started paying close attention to the presidential race in 92, and have voted Repub since.
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Oct 21 2004, 01:00 PM
Hmmm...good spin teryt. Everything I have read so far states 'both sides' have an army of lawyers ready to be unleashed. After the fiasco of the 2000 elections what did you expect?

Did you read the links I posted? Yes, I'm sure they both have them. But I'm not aware that the RNC has published a manual to actually intrruct their people to go out & claim fraud even though none is witnessed. If you know of such a thing, please make me aware.
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You've posted your stats and what they showed was not that lawyers were "by far the biggest single contributing block to the DNC" but that of the biggest contributors to political parties among lawyers found in one selective survey more contributed to the DNC. Not only biased but a far cry from your conclusion.

I vote about 90% Republican. But I can no longer support the turncoats.
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Oct 22 2004, 10:52 AM
You've posted your stats and what they showed was not that lawyers were "by far the biggest single contributing block to the DNC" but that of the biggest contributors to political parties among lawyers found in one selective survey more contributed to the DNC. Not only biased but a far cry from your conclusion.

I vote about 90% Republican. But I can no longer support the turncoats.

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Just as the Soprano empire relies on the Bada-Bing club to supply endless cash, so does today's Democrat Party rely on the trial lawyers. The litigious legions of the plaintiff's bar are now the largest contributors to both the national and California Democrat Parties, outstripping even public employee unions.
I'm surprised you don't know this, as it's been publisized in numerous outlets, and is fairly common knowledge I would think.

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Legal Times, September 13, 2004
LAWYERS DOUBLE GIVING IN 2004 CAMPAIGN It's official: Lawyers outdid themselves in presidential campaign donations in 2004, more than doubling the amount they gave four years ago.


According to the Sept. 6, 2005 San Diego Business Journal, " Bush has taken target on trial lawyers. We let this guy stand in for four more years, what's left of the law practice?" "As of Aug. 18, Kerry had raised $13.7 M from lawyers and law firms . . . twice the ammount given four years ago. Bush has raised $9.6 M." In all, the article says the legal profession has given nearly $30,000,000 to democrats in this cycle, dwarfing what's been given to Republicans by lawyers - and that was just as of 6 weeks ago.

I'm surprised you haven't seen this in various media sources. There was a big thing a few weeks back about attorney contributions to the DNC alone topping even the oil companies' giving to all sources. This seems to be led by trial lawyers especially, who see Bush as the biggest threat ever to their cash cow.
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I say "the biggest contributors to political parties"

You quote some unknown "are now the largest contributors" and act surprised I don't know? Surprised you did not read what I said.

If you had you would see my point in this and other threads is to counter your insisting on an exclusive association between lawyers and Democrats. Above you cite a source as supporting your contention when it in fact does not, it never mentions any association. It simply, as I argue, says lawyers contribute a lot to to campaigns. I am surprised you don't see that. Is it a case of seeing what you want to see?
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Oct 22 2004, 09:20 PM
I say "the biggest contributors to political parties"

You quote some unknown "are now the largest contributors" and act surprised I don't know? Surprised you did not read what I said.

If you had you would see my point in this and other threads is to counter your insisting on an exclusive association between lawyers and Democrats. Above you cite a source as supporting your contention when it in fact does not, it never mentions any association. It simply, as I argue, says lawyers contribute a lot to to campaigns. I am surprised you don't see that. Is it a case of seeing what you want to see?

My first inclination is to say that yes, it is a case of YOU seeing what YOU want to see, but I'll take a slightly more humble stance and say that I don't understand your point. I don't know why this is, possibly a problem on my part, but I've noticed we (you & I) don't always communicate that effectively. Again, not sure why.

I don't believe I ever insisted that there was an exclusive thing with lawyers & Democrats. As one article stated, Bush has received nearly $10M from lawyers, but that is less than a 3rd that the DNC has got from them, which sees Bush as being on the attack towards trial lawyers. The point is, that most trial lawyers are favoring Kerry/Edwards for this reason, and are backing this support with historic-level dollars.

These things have been reported on major TV news outlets as well. I'll see if I can find one.
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There you go again framing everything in terms of Bush and Kerry. The underlying implication being Bush and Reps are better than Kerry and Dems. By that logic, Badnarik and Libertarians receive far, far less and are therefore hands down the best of all three.

Perhaps our problem communicating is you speak machine language (binary Bush v Kerry, Rep v Dem, con v lib) and I speak C# and process arrays of principles and parties and candidates. The real world is even more varied than any language will allow us to express.

Another problem is you always frame everything in terms of you and me while I am addressing opinions and ideas. I remember once in the whole time you've been here asking you a personal question, is this your first election.
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CONTRIBUTORS TO BUSH:
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1
Retired
$21,183,783

2
Lawyers/Law Firms
$11,042,666

3
Real Estate
$9,855,101

4
Securities & Investment
$7,910,110

5
Misc Business
$7,402,543

6
Health Professionals
$6,204,137

7
Misc Finance
$5,273,062

8
General Contractors
$3,461,856

9
Business Services
$3,398,362

10
Commercial Banks
$3,013,708


CONTRIBUTORS TO KERRY
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1
Lawyers/Law Firms
$20,727,478

2
Retired
$14,953,472

3
Education
$7,437,321

4
Misc Business
$7,253,341

5
Securities & Investment
$3,893,315

6
Real Estate
$3,624,019

7
Health Professionals
$3,598,388

8
Business Services
$3,493,022

9
TV/Movies/Music
$2,978,300

10
Civil Servants/Public Officials
$2,689,912



SITE SHOWING CONTRIBUTION BREAKDOWNS

On the communication issue, I feel there is often some disconnect. I wonder if you're so busy with all the messages, the PMs, the admin work of this forum, etc., if you relly read my messages for content - or just skim. I could certainly be wrong, and have been at least twice today.

Let me ask these questions, in checking for understanding:
1. What would the numbers in the charts above indicate to you?

2. What does the quote from the San Diego Biz Journal (where the lawyer indicated he thinks Bush is out to get trial lawyers) means?

3. Do you see this as isolated things that don't necessarily add up to my premise that trail lawyers favor Kerry & the DNC?
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I know you addressed this to Chris, but I feel like throwing in an Interpretation of your stats:

1. What would the numbers in the charts above indicate to you?

Your Retired Folks got a lot of money to spend.

2. What does the quote from the San Diego Biz Journal (where the lawyer indicated he thinks Bush is out to get trial lawyers) means?

Knowing the typical Lawyer, he's got some case coming up where he thinks the jury is anti-Bush, and he's looking for points.

3. Do you see this as isolated things that don't necessarily add up to my premise that trail lawyers favor Kerry & the DNC?

Kerry gets more money from Lawyers because he WAS one.
Bush gets more money from Business because that's what he WAS.

Thanks! Nice statistics! :clap:
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Try posting without using "I" and "you". Competition of opinions in the marketplace of ideas is far more interesting. For example:

1. It indicates that according to their methodology of classifying contributions, which they admit is not easy, at this narrow point in time lawyers are contributing more to Dems.

2. That a single lawyer has an opinion. Not generalizable.

3 Yes, an isolated fact. It does not indicate trends. It does not indicate reasons. It does not indicate association. BTW, the figures indicate nothing at all about a specific group of lawyers, i.e., trial lawyers, nor does it indicate anything generally about the DNC. Just lawyers/law firms and two candidates.
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