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| President Bush; We can't win the war on terror | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 30 2004, 06:01 PM (279 Views) | |
| campingken | Aug 30 2004, 06:01 PM Post #1 |
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Today the President in an interview said that we can't win the war on terror but we can make it unconfortable for countries that support terrorists. Wow can you imagine what a field day Rush Limbaugh et al would have if Kerry said this?? |
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| corky52 | Aug 30 2004, 06:09 PM Post #2 |
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I find his statements tell more of his grounding in fear than anything else. World has never been and never will be a safe place, seems like GWB just realized it on 9/11. Speaks to a privileged and protected background, must have been a rude shock in those seven minutes to realize that somebody was actively out to kill him. GWB wants us to live in fear and the statement speaks to a continuing secession of "War Leaders" who must have total control. |
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| bikemanb | Aug 30 2004, 08:08 PM Post #3 |
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I am sure the great "Truth Detector" would have given Kerry a pass on this statement being the fair and open minded individual that he is.
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| olstuf | Aug 31 2004, 08:06 AM Post #4 |
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In my little realm of television, there hasn't been much mention of the statement. Is he preparing us for years of this "war"? I certainly don't have an answer of how to get out but neither do they apparently. |
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| cmoehle | Aug 31 2004, 11:07 AM Post #5 |
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Being a part of the Terror War is not something any of us can control. We can't get out of it. We only have choices in how we fight. If we view Afgahnistan or Iraq as representative of terrorism, then we can pre-emptively bully our way around playing dominoes with nations. If we view shadowy networks of cells like Al Queda as representative of terrorism, then we must cooperate with the International community. Perhaps, in some cases it is both. We just need to be sure. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| Jim Miller | Aug 31 2004, 11:26 AM Post #6 |
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I thought that, just maybe, some of you may want to know the true context of how that statement was made. Matt Lauer: "You said to me a second ago, one of the things that you'll lay out in your vision for the next four years is how you'll go about winning the war on terror. That phrase strikes me a little bit. Do you really think that you can win the war on terror in the next four years?" President Bush: " I have never said we can win it in four years." Matt Lauer: "So, I'm just saying can we win it? Do you see that?" President Bush: " I don't think that you can win it. But I think that you can create conditons so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world-lets put it that way." |
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| cmoehle | Aug 31 2004, 11:59 AM Post #7 |
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Right, read that, but not sure I get the difference. Anyway, he flip-flopped already today: Bush Now Saying 'We Will Win' Terror War. So which is it? If we're going to win, what's the plan? Will the War on Drugs be next? Or the War on Crime? Maybe the War on Poverty? Rhetoric. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| sylley2000 | Aug 31 2004, 12:07 PM Post #8 |
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Mostly, it's a war on words!
Those ones were for a speech to veterans ... they wouldn't wanna hear that they couldn't win! You beat me to it Chris...saw that article and was about to post it. L0L Sylvia On edit ... politicians? ? ? ? ? They aren't like 'real' people--are they bred from petri dishes? |
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| pentax | Aug 31 2004, 01:13 PM Post #9 |
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... or maybe stem-cells?
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| cmoehle | Aug 31 2004, 05:28 PM Post #10 |
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Well, the "truth detector" got an interview, Rush's Interview with President George W. Bush, so let's let Bush articulate what he meant:
That's what I understood him to mean, what I've understood him to mean all along. Afgahnistan fits well with that. Iraq however was conventional. But then he adds
Yes, I agree with the goal of spreading freedom, liberal democracy--"global democratic revolution"--which is all we can do, continue the struggle. But there's that "we'll win it" again. How can articulating "I don't think that you can win it." end up as "we'll win it"? Just how do we win an unconventional war? Against an ideology? A tool? Better to be an optimist than a pessimist? So he expands
OK, so we're winning means making progress. How will we know when we've won? What is the plan? Rest is the same old same old we hear all the time. Except a quick ending snipe at Bush's promising conservative rhetoric and liberal record. |
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| karmasasha | Sep 1 2004, 12:17 AM Post #11 |
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Oven Mitt says "will it never end?" |
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Those ones were for a speech to veterans ... they wouldn't wanna hear that they couldn't win! 



2:25 AM Jul 11