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Bush: Kerry More Heroic; Will both sides' muckraking stop?
Topic Started: Aug 29 2004, 08:59 AM (389 Views)
pentax
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PRT
Aug 29 2004, 06:21 PM
Bush should give up the War President business, Kerry should give up Vietnam, and they both should talk about things like taxes, education, the economy, SS, Medicare, health insurance, environmental issues et al; you know - small things like that :rolleyes:

PRT For Prez!

(oh, and when you get there - could you do something about the stupid Softwood Lumber Tariff, too? ;) )
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Frank, all I was pointing out was you criticized the media for bias but didn't give examples of the media being biased, just others who, like you, are naturally biased for the one they support.

I guess I am more biased than you for I see nothing that qualifies either for the job.

One thing to keep in mind about free speech is this: While you and I anjoy that protection constitutionally, groups do not.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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MDPD6320
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida
Chris,

I sorry to disagree again, but to deny freedom of speach to a group is the same as the denial to an individual, as groups a composed of individuals.

I am not pleased with the choice, but I believe that one is way ahead of the other. I have a bunch of reasons for why I believe so, but if you just look at the rabble
in the streets of N.Y.C. that oppose Bush, that is reason enough.

Prehaps now is the time for people to start a third party that will amount to something in 4 years. Maybe not a winner, but a force to be reckoned with.

Frank
" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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Colo_Crawdad
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Just a quick and simple question. Why do you classify the hundreds of thousands of protesters in New York as "rabble?"
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US." --- Pogo
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MDPD6320
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Frank - Gainesville, Florida
Because that's what they are. By virtue of their threats, their tactics and their intent, they are people who wish to disrupt and harass those who are involved with the convention.

To wit:
The name of all the delegates, their hotels and room numbers has been posted on the internet.
The names of criminal groups, thugs and robbers have been resurrected for the occasion (Weather underground, Black Panthers etc.)
And because I have personally met them face-to-face on the street. They are violent, uncaring and have no other purpose other than to harass those that are there to attend the convention.
I believe that the place to protest is the ballot box not the neighborhood streets and parks, where they urinate and defecate in alley ways, throw debris at the police and others, and cause the taxpayers the extra expense of police overtime, and “clean up”. Apparently these “protesters” don’t work and some are paid by groups to protest.
I don’t believe this happened in Boston, but it goes to show the effect the one issue people have had on a once relevant Democrat Party.
There are many reasons why I have no respect for people to choose to argue their political stands by intimidation and mindless rhetoric, but I hope these will do for now.

Wheew, Colorado, a sincere “Thanks for asking”, you really helped me to find a way to get that off my chest.

Frank

" The government big enough to give you everything you want it is big enough to take everything you have."

"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue"

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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This disturbs me:

Listening/watching with half an ear to the convention...apparently delegates are being given the bandaids with a purple heart that we have seen here and there on the Internet.

If Bush/Republicans want to get off this topic, I don't think this little souvenir is a good idea at all.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Frank, then we will have to disagree. The Bill of Rights concerns the individual, so while each in a group has the right, the group simply does not. This is the very thing Madison warns about factions in Federalist 10. Only here it is worse, the individuals are speaking, but others are paying the bills. It is not free but bought and paid for, pardon the pun.

But the rabble doesn't have the right? Following your logic, if protesters as a whole can be castigated for a few rousers, then you must castigate the entire Republican Party for those few like them on the floor of the convention.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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bikemanb
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If it was a rabble and caused so many problems, how come only 400 arrests out of a half a millon protesting? Probably the Liberals in the NYPD.

Or is it a rabble because they dared to disagree with the current Administration?
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Frank, it seems your view of the protesters was somewaht skewed by a media even you know not to trust: Lots of Protests, Little Violence
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I had to see these dangerous people for myself. After all, I'd been warned all week long by the New York media that my city was going to be taken over by bomb-throwing anarchists, domestic terrorists and assorted other loonies during the Republican National Convention.

The New York Daily News even put it on its front page: "Police Intelligence Warning: Anarchy Inc." According to the newspaper, "Police believe 50 of the country's leading anarchists will be in the city for the convention." ...The paper—and others—spent last week dutifully disseminating the official New York Police Department line: That the hundreds of thousands of people gathering to protest Thursday's nomination of George W. Bush were going to be violent. One report even went so far as to say that members of the Weather Underground—which made a name for itself through bomb-throwing in the late 1960s and 1970s— were pouring into the city to wreck havoc again.

I was disturbed by these reports—not because I feared violence, but because I felt that the NYPD "anarchy warning" was designed simply to send a message to the rest of the country: That the hundreds of thousands of people who would be protesting the president are not "normal" Americans, but merely a rag-tag bunch of professional protesters from the outer edge of the fringe of our society.

So imagine my surprise when I got to Sunday's massive protest looking for some bomb-throwers only to find a group of graying peaceniks standing behind the banner: "Brooklyn Parents for Peace."....

The closest I come {to finding iolence} is a Yankee fan.

"Mets suck!" he yells. Boy, what a violent town
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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