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Cheney Differs With Same Sex Marriage Policy; Is this the end of Bush/Cheney?
Topic Started: Aug 25 2004, 06:10 AM (356 Views)
olstuf
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In a statement at a Davenport Iowa town hall meeting Tuesday, Vice President Cheney spoke of the differences in opinion about "same sex marriage" with Bush. He stated that he and his wife have a gay daughter (the first public acknowledgement by him) and understand some of the problems facing those people. He gave his opinion that "same sex marriage" should be left to the states. "But the president makes basic policy for the administration and he's made it." According to the same article, ( I read it in the Houston Chronicle, front page news), it was said this position has angered the conservitive faction of the Republican Party. (Isn't that redundant?) Is this going to be the issue that gives Bush an out to have Cheney off the ticket? Or does Cheney see the handwriting on the wall and see this as an easier out for him so he isn't blamed for the upcoming loss? I assume this topic will get lost in the Russian loss of two planes in what is being called a "potential terrorist act" but decided to post it anyway. To paraphrase the late Harry Carey's little ditty years ago, The Democrats are coming, tra la tra la, the Democrats are coming, tra la tra la. :D (Just to tease Dan!)
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John - Gainesville, FL
This ought to make for some interesting reading among the hard right. I'm sure some will want him to step down and others will offer an exorcism. I think it took a lot of courage to make that announcement. It isn't easy for any family to come to grips with homosexuality that close to home; I would think it even harder in Cheney's position.
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olstuf
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There was a little more on his apperance in the Washington Post edition as one would expect. He was only reiterating his earlier statement on the issue. Certainly I am not a Cheney supporter but for once I agree in principle on this stance. It is easy to sit in judgement if you have not been in the situation. Maybe someday the people will understand that all issues are not just two sided, right or wrong. We are facing many more important problems that should be addressed than homosexuality unions. I wonder how this news is playing out on the "fire"?
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roscoe
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The fiire is still in an uproar about putting a chip in your pet. It's a sad day when your daughters sexual preferences become a matter for national debate.

I've always tried to lead a decent Christian life but after hearing some Bible thumpers with their views and hippocracy of preaching one thing and practicing another I'm very grateful of our constitution's separation of church and state.

There are many that will fault Cheney for having a gay daughter. I wonder why? Probably some crap about the sins of the father thing.
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olstuf
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If they fault someone with a gay child or relative or friend, they may run out of people to fault. Agree that this issue has no business being in a campaign. Get people back to work in this country and out of the war business.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
olstuf "it was said this position has angered the conservitive faction of the Republican Party. (Isn't that redundant?)"

One, the Republican Party and conservativism are in no way synonymous if even associated.

Two, the faction that now controls the Republican Party is the social conservatives. They are as liberal as a summer day is long.


passinthru "This ought to make for some interesting reading among the hard right."

Do you mean radical social "conservatives"? Again, they are lefties.


Cheney is more a traditional, fiscal conservative.

He is sort of like old Barry Goldwater. Goldwater thought gays had equal rights. For example:

"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight."

Goldwater was more conservative than Cheney in his view of early social "conservatives". For example:

"When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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corky52
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How could the Cheney's have gone so far wrong in raising their children?
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Is that sarcasm, corky?
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olstuf
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Chris, the red "right" was tongue in cheek. I am about as much a fiscal conservative as there is. Some call it frugal, others say cheap, some say tight. I do hope the comment about Cheney's daughter is indeed sarcasm. There are plenty of issues to debate without personal attacks on spouses, children or race, creed and color. Maybe it is an easy out because I don't think either side has too many answers to the important issues. Certainly there are no easy ones. In the meantime, do you think we will ever be informed by the Russians if the planes were the victims of a terrorist attack? Heck, they used to deny a plane ever crashed.

On edit: Chris, I have some good friends, Republicans to the very core, who warned people about the Robertson attempt to hijack their party back before Bush 41 was nominated. In fact, one left the island to get back to the caucas to help blunt that effort. They were very good friends and certainly sincere in their beliefs. Being the tolerant person I am, even though they are Texans, not native though and Republican, they still remain good friends. :D
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I have a niece who is gay and she is the nicest person you'll ever meet, but I would find it offensive if she and her partner called their relationship a marriage.
It's the word, not the relationship.
What's wrong is that our society is built around marriages insofar a legalities such as medical access and taxes and such.
That's what needs changing. People should be able to form legal partnerships that entitle them to all the rights a married couple has...even adoption of children, although that one makes me wince a little.
A secular marriage should be called something else, and same sex couples shouldn't expect to receive religious sanction as a right.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Knowing Corky I'd gamble sarcasm.

olstuf, your friends should have stuck around, battle lines are still being drawn in that party.

Jane, I wasn't aware marriage was religous. Isn't it the state that issues marriage liscenses? Japanese government issued mine and ours recognizes it, my wife would be upset were it otherwise. Now if, on the other hand, your particular religion, your particular church, as a private organization wanted to decide one way or the other then that is entirely up to them. But what would you do if your religion or church accepted it?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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corky52
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Chris,
My comment referrers to your "nature or nurture" thread on ATC where the RG was unanimous that homosexuality was not natural. I actually have sympathy for the Chenys in this case, caught between being parents and politicians.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Wasn't rhanson's argument?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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corky52
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Chris,
There were several involved, all sure that God didn't make homosexuals!

I personally would love to see the word marriage stricken from the laws and writing of all government institutions and it given back to the religions with absolutely no legal standing for the word.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Yes, turned nasty as per usual.

But marriage existed before religion came along. Seems some want to rewrite history.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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