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Kerry's Stand On Gun Control; Apparently not an issue. Should it be?
Topic Started: Aug 19 2004, 07:28 AM (372 Views)
karmasasha
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Roscoe, Well said. Andrea
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PRT
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Roscoe,
I'm with you.
I could care less about Bush and Kerry's war records or lack thereof.
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roz
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Ditto on Andrea and Pat's post. Well said Roscoe
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jackd
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I had raised this issue on a previous tread but I did not get too many comments:
.....I still can't understan why so many people put so much importance on war records, private life and other trivial subjects in discussions leading the the choice of the leader.
From what I see, what the guy (whoever he is) did or did not do 25-30 years ago seems to have much more importance than what the guy will be able to do for your country over the next 4 years.
Stange way IMO to choose a leader.
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Jim Miller
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I believe a man's history goes a long way to defining a man's character. How he has behaved in the past, I believe, is how he will behave in the future. That is as important to me as any of the other issues.

The people "have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge-- I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers."

John Adams
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Jim:
You and I can find dozens examples when were 20-25 year old character has drastically changes when they reached the "wisdom age".
What Kerry or Bush did or thought or did not do when they were 20/25 years old has absolutely no bearings IMO on who they will perform as a country leader over the next 4 years.
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Jim Miller
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I see nothing in Kerry's recent past or present to indicate that he is any different now than before. His senate record is just as fuzzy as his military record. Are you willing to overlook everything that has transpired in his past? How about if he were a pedohile that has served his time? I know bad example, but you can see what I mean. Besides, I do not think that a man's character changes over time. His actions, maybe. But character, I don't think so.
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I think character counts, some, to some, to varying degrees, and there are many things to look to for that. So in that way everyone is right in their views.

What I don't get, and I don't think it applies here on this forum so much, if at all, but it does apply to the media, is the constant harping on it, the constant digging for dirt, and mud flinging--it dirties everything--when there are many more issues of concerned.

For example, stance on gun control is much more important than whether one fought and the other didn't, or vice versa. How'd this thread get off track?! :huh:


Jim "I do not think that a man's character changes over time. His actions, maybe. But character, I don't think so."

That's interesting. Perhaps so, at a basic or essential level. How do you define character? Can it be applied to both candidates?
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Jim Miller
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Chris, it most certainly applies to, not just both, but to all candidates. I mentioned that I am not a Bush fan although he does represent my beliefs to a much larger degree than Kerry does. I probably would have voted for Lieberman if he would have been the Democrats candidate. I think he has much more credibility than either Kerry or Bush.
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Well, if your talking character traits like trustworthiness, reliability, things like that, that is important. We're trusting people to manage important matters and there's little accountability to constrain them. I think that's a lot of what people are frustrated with, trust, having been through the like of Nixon and Clinton, to name only two.
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To get back to the original question. If for no other reason than this is a constitutional question which is hotly debated in this country, we should know how each candidate stands on gun control. I would also include the VP candidates.
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Jim Miller
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I guess that is the point I was trying to make at the beginning. I was not very clear on that I guess. Thanks for clearing that up for me Buddy.

Good to see you made it here Buddy. Nice place, eh?
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I consider gun control a valid issue. So have the rhetoric and record of each candidate been established?

Here is some of Michael Badnarik's position on gun control:

"If I have a "hot button" issue, this is definitely it. Don't even THINK about taking my guns! My rights are not negotiable, and I am totally unwilling to compromise when it comes to the Second Amendment....

"It is necessary to understand the definitions common in America during the time of our war for independence. "Well regulated" used to mean "well prepared". Every man was expected to have a rifle, one pound of gun powder, and sixteen balls for his weapon. He was also expected to be ready to USE that rifle within sixty seconds of the alarm being sounded. Hence the term "minute man"....

..."my inalienable right to keep and bear arms. My rights are non-negotiable. I don't care if someone else doesn't like it.

"Repealing unconstitutional gun control laws will be one of my first priorities as President of the United States."
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