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| Kerry's Stand On Gun Control; Apparently not an issue. Should it be? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 19 2004, 07:28 AM (371 Views) | |
| Jim Miller | Aug 19 2004, 07:28 AM Post #1 |
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Interesting read. What do you think? Kerry's gun stance as seen by Wayne LaPierre |
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| olstuf | Aug 19 2004, 08:46 AM Post #2 |
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As a gun owner I wonder how the issue will play out with Homeland Security started by this administration. A typical part of stopping terrorism would call for more gun control such as other countries have. Only law enforcement and the military would have firearms. Others would be outlawed. Now that "ain't" gonna happen I hope. That is one of the reasons I have serious doubts about the issue of Homeland Security. It could be expanded to take away many rights by presidential decree rather than congressional actions. Scarey. |
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| rednecker | Aug 19 2004, 09:58 AM Post #3 |
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Just remember Governments LOVE unarmed peasants!! |
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| cascade | Aug 19 2004, 11:07 AM Post #4 |
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"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas." Joseph Stalin |
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| cmoehle | Aug 19 2004, 11:53 AM Post #5 |
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Good to see where people draw the line still on government interference. It is interesting that one of Sadr's main demands is for his militiamen to keep their arms in the face of government demands they surrender them. Or is that different? |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| rednecker | Aug 19 2004, 11:59 AM Post #6 |
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I wouldn't want to give up my guns either if I'd lived what they have lived through. It is an intresting point though. |
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| Jim Miller | Aug 19 2004, 12:22 PM Post #7 |
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Understand that I am just guessing now Chris, but I think the circumstances are a bit different here. |
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| kiwi_too | Aug 19 2004, 04:13 PM Post #8 |
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The issue with Sadr is completely different. Iraqi's value their guns in the home. Sadr is being asked to not unarm home owners and leaders of their households. He is being asked to stop fighting, put down weapons of destruction. It is a right of all iraqi to have a gun in the home for protection of the home. The gun is not to go to war with nor threaten their own people. Sadr is being asked to disarm a malitia. Back to subject. I dread the day when a theif knows that I, as a law abiding citizen, do not have a gun. The thief will know that he is the only one in the house that does. I think I'll keep mine. |
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I Cor. 16:13 Keep alert, stand firm in your faith, be courageous, be strong. 14 Let all that you do be done in love. Dan | |
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| cmoehle | Aug 19 2004, 04:49 PM Post #9 |
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Jim, I don't necessarily disagree, but how are circumstances different? Beyond the obvious that there's a battle being fought in the streets there and not here. Dan (kiwi), that is not my impression, not what I recall hearing or reading. Nothing about "weapons of destruction" just the demand to disarm and disband. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Don't get me wrong. For the sake of our soldiers fighting and dieing there I certainly hope and pray for an end to the conflict. But I wouldn't ask any but criminals, including terrorists, to disarm. Of course Grant demanded that of Lee, except the officer's side-arms. |
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| Jim Miller | Aug 19 2004, 07:32 PM Post #10 |
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Chris, isn't the obvious enough for you? :blink: |
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| cmoehle | Aug 19 2004, 07:34 PM Post #11 |
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Just asking for your view. |
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| Colo_Crawdad | Aug 19 2004, 08:22 PM Post #12 |
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Jim, I think I understand what Wayne LaPierre is attempting to say, but I have to admit it is extremely difficult to force myself to read that kind of poorly constructed rhetoric. His finding of "guilt by innuendo" overwhelms any point he tries to make. Lowell |
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| Jim Miller | Aug 20 2004, 06:58 AM Post #13 |
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I guess my whole point of this is , why isn't Kerry's gun stance even mentioned? Is his questionable war record overshadowing all else? Although I personally do not agree with all that is going on about his war record, it certainly has raised some questions. Since it was the main focus of his acceptance speech he has brought this all on himself. I am a republican but not a Bush fan. Kerry's war record has raised issues with me as well as his lack of any substantive Senate record. Why hasn't his gun stance been mentioned? That issued used to be very important to a lot of people. |
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| olstuf | Aug 20 2004, 07:00 AM Post #14 |
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He is grasping for anything that might make Kerry look bad. A gun owner but not a member of the NRA, I will not give up the right to bear arms easily. It was almost unthinkable that we did not disarm the Iraq population although it could not have been complete. Those "open arms" seemed to be filled with AK47s. |
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| roscoe | Aug 20 2004, 08:05 AM Post #15 |
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I find it interesting that it seems every Iraqui has a weapon, unlimited supply of ammo, rocket launchers bombs to strap to their bodies or cars and every other "tool" to help them fight off a bad government. Sounds like a well armed militia to me. It might be a good idea to bypass the candidates thoughts on guns and gay marriage as a reason for election and focus on the issues that concern most normal folks. Getting out of Iraq, health care, education, taxes both fed. and state. Things like that. Don't most get bored of the same Bush hid during the war and Kerry gave himself medals. The rest of the world as I do must think how boring our contry has gotten to focus on such non issues when our country is at stake. |
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